- Oct 16, 2016
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Hahah! Well that's certainly very true.... Those are some special shoes!Fully aware. You can't be outside of the rabbit hole if you have an Alden makeup named after you. Only reason I got these was because they were partially funded as a birthday gift.
Luckily, there are only a few other Alden makeups that I'm really interested in and nobody currently makes them.
Well that saves the wallet substantially... What else are you after?? That's the one issue I have with Alden, but the delayed gratification is honestly kind of nice.
Thank you very much for the details. Yes, it looks like the 800 last. So you stay TTS across all those lasts? My concern was mainly with my Patriot (suede) fit of 11.5D, but everything else 11D.I mostly have experience with the Rancourt 115 last (which is the same as the AE 511 last).
I believe the camp mocs are made on the 800 last. Here is a description of AE lasts, including the 800:
114 Last: Allen Edmonds’ 114 last features a semi-round toe and a slightly shorter vamp; the last is fuller across the ball of the foot. It is the most standard last Allen Edmonds uses as well as the most true to size, as it has no elongation and width is as expected.
Models: Cavanaugh, Lowry Hill, Maxfield, Nashua
145 Last: Allen Edmonds’ 114 last features a slightly square toe with an elongated forepart; it is generally employed for driving shoes.
Models: Boulder, Eldorado
555 Last: Allen Edmonds’ 555 last features a shorter forepart, a round toe with a tighter instep, and a low vamp, providing a snug fit. This last provides a good fit for those with a high instep and arch.
Models: Sanibel 2.0, Northland, Hagerstown, Bates, Bar Harbor, Maritime, Kirkwood, Sandman
800 Last: Allen Edmonds’ 800 last features a sleek and rounded toe and a steep arch; this last is roomier across the ball of the foot, and it has a rounded shape. Despite being roomy, it’s not considered a “wide” last.
Models: Kenwood, Sanibel
2592 Last: Allen Edmond’s 2592 last features a round and full toe. It is 1/8 inch longer than the 114 last to accommodate a fuller, foam sock liner and heel-to-toe padding.
Models: Center Fielder, Haley, Eastport, Interstate 90, Ventura Hwy
And the Rancourt site says this about the 800 last:
“Great last for casual handsewn shoes like boat shoes and ranger-mocs. Classic round toe like the 114 but slightly longer with a broader and taller toe box for a roomier fit. Order your normal Rancourt size.”
My experience with the 2592 last was that it had a roomier instep (more volume) and slightly less length than I expected. That is based on a sample of “one,” so it might be an outlier.
I was thinking Rancourt would be an easy 11D in their makeups... Agreed? Just thrown off because I'll be sockless in them.
Looking sharp!! Big AE fan! The vanity plate to seal the deal.
Love the G shock, have one myself, although I put a bull bar on it so I don't ever smash the face. It's my go to nasty work/bike ride watch.
You are the last MASTER! Thank you for the detailed write up!! The unlined part is why I am excited about not worrying on sizing differences; just need to dial in the initial fit.Been a long time since I tried on a Rancourt but I can comment on AEs lasts ad nauseum based on loads of experience.
114 - generally agree with AEs description. Very average length, width, instep. For someone familiar with the 65 & welted lasts, I would expect comments like "runs short," or "runs a little snug in width" maybe.
2592 - this is a tricky one. All things equal, it's like a hair longer than the 114 but otherwise the same. Because AE has historically been very inconsistent with sizing in the handsewns, And because they tend to use lots of poron and other padding, it's highly possible the 2592 might feel equal to the 114 or even smaller depending on the style.
555 - like they took the 114, widened the toe and squashed down the vamp. I find the instep brutal in this last.
800 - like they took the 114 and raised up the vamp. Similar to the 2592, sizing inconsistencies plus padding might negate any extra room.
In terms of Rancourt, you won't see the sizing inconsistencies there. Rancourt's builds are super clean and super consistent. With unlined chromepaks & cxls, you also won't see any reduction in volume. The vamp should be nice and flexible too.
The Patriot is kind of different but as a single data point, I'd say if the 11.5D was OK and not to the wire, go with that. You should expect slightly less length, similar width, roomier heel & roomier vamp.
Coincidentally I got my first pnw boot too - Whites cykel. Not as cool as yours but then again I don't have any Aldens named by me either.
Edit - forgot about the 145 because it totally doesn't fit in this set. It fits very similar to a Grayson.
You're saying that I should base my Rancourt off the Patriot in suede and forget/forgo my 65 sizing (with dress socks)?
Nice!! I hope you like them... Have they arrived or did you just order (and the dreaded wait)? You're a pretty cool cat yourself!
I ended up buying some White's Perry Boots (8") for general light(er) duty work on a whim (online sizing). When I went to Spokane, I visited and was professionally sized at White's (I sized myself wrong at home, surprise!) but I can still wear my Perrys ok without the insole.
I was going to visit Nick's boots, but they were closed until mid-afternoon which didn't work with the schedule so I went to Frank's boot and got sized - If you haven't checked out Frank's, you should. Very small mom and pop shop and Frank himself used to be a high level manager at Nick's.
Ended up buying a really nice pair of logger boots from Frank's and then once I was home, ordered a second pair but for dress wear (Lord help me). Haha.
Will post photos when they arrive this fall.