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Wow, interesting. I'm also an 11 3E in essentially every last. What was it about the switch to 11.5 2E that did it for you? Was it your pinky toes, too? I'm going to be around my local AE this Wednesday, might need to ask them for an 11.5 2E trial.
Pinky toes and general shorter toe area crunch. I can sort-of get by in the 11 3E, but it isn’t ideal. The 11.5 2E nailed it in length and toe room. 11.5 E is a tad snug in width, but doesn’t crunch the toes. The 11.5 3E works in boots, but really is a tad wide and the eyelet tabs come together. My guess is you’ll be very happy with the 11.5 2E in the 511. For reference, 11 3E in the 65 last is perfect.
 

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Good evening, men--

Men, I am thinking about making a last-minute boot purchase before the AE sale goes away tonight, but I need advice on sizing.

Each of the fifteen (or so...) pairs of AE footwear I own is a size 13, and 13 is in fact my Brannock size. My favorite shoe is the Strand, and I own various pairs in different colors and weaves. In fact, I require an E width in the 65-lasted shoes (Strand, McAllister) while a D width fits me fine in all other non-65 AE shoe models.

About a year ago, I went for a Hamilton boot (65 last) during an AE sale, though I was apprehensive because the 13E was out of stock and so I had to go for a 13D. When they arrived, the fit was not narrow, but actually very large in both the width and the length: I have the sensation that I'm wearing clown shoes when I put them on. Foolishly I wore them to work instead of sending them back, and I can only sport them with my thickest wool socks, which is less than optimum as they sit in the closet unworn for every month that isn't January or February here on an island off the Gulf Coast of FL. I then bought a suede Patton in a 13D, and while this pair feels larger than my 13D/13E non-boot AE footwear, the fit isn't nearly the spelunk that is the aforementioned Hamilton experience.

Is this par for the course with boots, where I should either size down or expect to wear thicker socks? If it were just the Hamilton, then I would be inclined to think I purchased a mis-marked size 14 pair; the fact that the Patton feels big, however, leads me to believe that these boots simply run larger than the AE shoes.

If I were to go for another Hamilton or Pattie, would I size down to a 12.5?

Thanks for your advice.
 

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Good evening, men--

Men, I am thinking about making a last-minute boot purchase before the AE sale goes away tonight, but I need advice on sizing.

Each of the fifteen (or so...) pairs of AE footwear I own is a size 13, and 13 is in fact my Brannock size. My favorite shoe is the Strand, and I own various pairs in different colors and weaves. In fact, I require an E width in the 65-lasted shoes (Strand, McAllister) while a D width fits me fine in all other non-65 AE shoe models.

About a year ago, I went for a Hamilton boot (65 last) during an AE sale, though I was apprehensive because the 13E was out of stock and so I had to go for a 13D. When they arrived, the fit was not narrow, but actually very large in both the width and the length: I have the sensation that I'm wearing clown shoes when I put them on. Foolishly I wore them to work instead of sending them back, and I can only sport them with my thickest wool socks, which is less than optimum as they sit in the closet unworn for every month that isn't January or February here on an island off the Gulf Coast of FL. I then bought a suede Patton in a 13D, and while this pair feels larger than my 13D/13E non-boot AE footwear, the fit isn't nearly the spelunk that is the aforementioned Hamilton experience.

Is this par for the course with boots, where I should either size down or expect to wear thicker socks? If it were just the Hamilton, then I would be inclined to think I purchased a mis-marked size 14 pair; the fact that the Patton feels big, however, leads me to believe that these boots simply run larger than the AE shoes.

If I were to go for another Hamilton or Pattie, would I size down to a 12.5?

Thanks for your advice.
Interesting. My Hamilton pair I felt was a little more snug than my other 65’s. I wouldn’t size down for boots...either my normal size or a size up (I feel boots are more forgiving being slightly larger). Regarding the sale...me being me, I’d just buy it, whatever it is, then exchange it if I like it for a different size if needed. Then at least you’d have the sale price. Similarly, you could always return it if you don’t like it all together (AE makes that easy). Also what I’ve done is order multiple sizes of the same thing and just kept the pair that fit the best. When I was trying another brand, I must have went through 5 pairs until I got the right size. Good luck!
 

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Interesting. Personally, I doubt I will wear my walnut oxfords with olive or navy trousers very often. I almost always wear shoes that are darker than my trousers, unless I am wearing a light-colored jacket. Sometimes I’ll wear a khaki-colored sport coat with gray or brown trousers and tan shoes, but typically I reserve them for khaki suits, which I wear a couple of days a week in the warm weather months. That said, I see a lot of men who make brighter, warmer colored shoes work with darker clothes, but it isn’t how I typically dress.
 

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To explain further, I think that very formal occasions for which I would wear a dark suit and black or dark brown oxfords — things like court appearances and weddings and so forth — will always to exist, but I’m worried that the sort of casual suit/sport coat and tie occasions will be more fully casual now and therefore that there may be fewer opportunities to wear oxfords.

Interesting. Personally, I doubt I will wear my walnut oxfords with olive or navy trousers very often. I almost always wear shoes that are darker than my trousers, unless I am wearing a light-colored jacket. Sometimes I’ll wear a khaki-colored sport coat with gray or brown trousers and tan shoes, but typically I reserve them for khaki suits, which I wear a couple of days a week in the warm weather months. That said, I see a lot of men who make brighter, warmer colored shoes work with darker clothes, but it isn’t how I typically dress.
 

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... I’m worried that the sort of casual suit/sport coat and tie occasions will be more fully casual now and therefore that there may be fewer opportunities to wear oxfords.
You don't need opportunities to wear oxfords. You're boxing yourself in. Wear 'em whenever wherever.
 

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Interesting. Personally, I doubt I will wear my walnut oxfords with olive or navy trousers very often. I almost always wear shoes that are darker than my trousers, unless I am wearing a light-colored jacket. Sometimes I’ll wear a khaki-colored sport coat with gray or brown trousers and tan shoes, but typically I reserve them for khaki suits, which I wear a couple of days a week in the warm weather months. That said, I see a lot of men who make brighter, warmer colored shoes work with darker clothes, but it isn’t how I typically dress.
I also generally stick to the “not lighter than the trousers” guideline, especially as you slide higher up the formality spectrum.

As to your previous question, I don’t generally wear oxfords without coat and tie. I’ll make an exception for my natty shell Strands and my walnut & bone Heritage specs with seersucker or linen. But by and large, if I’m wearing oxfords I’m also picking out a tie.
 

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To explain further, I think that very formal occasions for which I would wear a dark suit and black or dark brown oxfords — things like court appearances and weddings and so forth — will always to exist, but I’m worried that the sort of casual suit/sport coat and tie occasions will be more fully casual now and therefore that there may be fewer opportunities to wear oxfords.
Personally, and I know some people disagree, but I think you can wear an oxford in a less formal setting, especially if it is brogued.

I mean, I wouldn't wear oxfords with a band shirt and jeans (then again, I own neither of these things), but with chinos, a nice polo, and a sports coat? Why the hell not?

I'm also not wearing my black captoes with shorts.
 

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Also, given I just mentioned shorts: Which AE shoes/boots do you think pair nicely with shorts? Preferably, not loafers, as I don't dig loafers, but any suggestions besides?
 

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Good evening, men--

Men, I am thinking about making a last-minute boot purchase before the AE sale goes away tonight, but I need advice on sizing.

Each of the fifteen (or so...) pairs of AE footwear I own is a size 13, and 13 is in fact my Brannock size. My favorite shoe is the Strand, and I own various pairs in different colors and weaves. In fact, I require an E width in the 65-lasted shoes (Strand, McAllister) while a D width fits me fine in all other non-65 AE shoe models.

About a year ago, I went for a Hamilton boot (65 last) during an AE sale, though I was apprehensive because the 13E was out of stock and so I had to go for a 13D. When they arrived, the fit was not narrow, but actually very large in both the width and the length: I have the sensation that I'm wearing clown shoes when I put them on. Foolishly I wore them to work instead of sending them back, and I can only sport them with my thickest wool socks, which is less than optimum as they sit in the closet unworn for every month that isn't January or February here on an island off the Gulf Coast of FL. I then bought a suede Patton in a 13D, and while this pair feels larger than my 13D/13E non-boot AE footwear, the fit isn't nearly the spelunk that is the aforementioned Hamilton experience.

Is this par for the course with boots, where I should either size down or expect to wear thicker socks? If it were just the Hamilton, then I would be inclined to think I purchased a mis-marked size 14 pair; the fact that the Patton feels big, however, leads me to believe that these boots simply run larger than the AE shoes.

If I were to go for another Hamilton or Pattie, would I size down to a 12.5?

Thanks for your advice.
Total apples to oranges comparison on this one imo. I found the Strandmoks & Hamiltons highly dependent upon what material they used - the grain & cxl definitely fits quite loose in width & volume. I never tried the Patton but I have enough of a variety of HMs to say that they feel very full, very wide in the toebox and also shorter in length than the Hamilton. Not saying they didn't mislast your cognac pair, but I found mislast types of errors much more frequent on handsewns rather than welts.

I guess I would just say for the Hamilton its possible the 12.5D could work if it's the same grain like the cognac. The Patton I'm not so sure about. Definitely dont make any broad sweeping generalizations about the boots - as a C-width I can tell you the Nomad & Liverpool Chelsea's definitely dont run wide.
 

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