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Thanks for this. I tried on a pair of HM at the trunk show and was immediately put off by how bulbous and roomy the toe area was. Perhaps I should have looked into a smaller and/or narrower size. I'm normally an 11.5D, and that's what I asked to try.
HM's are more bulbous in the toe area than OSB's, no matter what size.
 

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Only good horseshoes are in Springfield, pork tenderloins are everywhere, could get one tonight within 3 minutes of my house at the bowling alley (and actually a good sandwich, fries are hand cut and wonderful). To get a decent horseshoe, have to drive about an hour. And for those who are wondering WTF a horseshoe is.....google it.
Looks yummy!
 

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Got back from a visit to my AE store in Oakbrook and this is the second time that I have seen the Wanderer being sold. If there is any question why AE makes some ugly stuff, there is your answer. It sells. I asked my SA about top sellers in the store and some of the top sellers are very interesting. Verona II sells better than the next three welted loafers combined. Strandmok outsells the Strand. Black PA continues to be a strong seller as a lot of guys come in just before going to a funeral or wedding and need a black dress shoe stat. A lot of those PA sales are made solely on size. You are a B width and need the shoe tonight, then the PA is your shoe. Seems like SF’s favorites do not align very well with the general public.
 

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Got back from a visit to my AE store in Oakbrook and this is the second time that I have seen the Wanderer being sold. If there is any question why AE makes some ugly stuff, there is your answer. It sells. I asked my SA about top sellers in the store and some of the top sellers are very interesting. Verona II sells better than the next three welted loafers combined. Strandmok outsells the Strand. Black PA continues to be a strong seller as a lot of guys come in just before going to a funeral or wedding and need a black dress shoe stat. A lot of those PA sales are made solely on size. You are a B width and need the shoe tonight, then the PA is your shoe. Seems like SF’s favorites do not align very well with the general public.
Any idea if Priscilla is still there? She was my SA back when she was at the 120 Lasalle location.
 

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Got back from a visit to my AE store in Oakbrook and this is the second time that I have seen the Wanderer being sold. If there is any question why AE makes some ugly stuff, there is your answer. It sells. I asked my SA about top sellers in the store and some of the top sellers are very interesting. Verona II sells better than the next three welted loafers combined. Strandmok outsells the Strand. Black PA continues to be a strong seller as a lot of guys come in just before going to a funeral or wedding and need a black dress shoe stat. A lot of those PA sales are made solely on size. You are a B width and need the shoe tonight, then the PA is your shoe. Seems like SF’s favorites do not align very well with the general public.
Well, at least they are buying PA's and not some square-toe Target thing that pretends it's a shoe........and besides, EVERYONE should have at least one pair of black cap toe dress shoe in the closet, and the PA is among the best one can have, ever.
 

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Well, at least they are buying PA's and not some square-toe Target thing that pretends it's a shoe........and besides, EVERYONE should have at least one pair of black cap toe dress shoe in the closet, and the PA is among the best one can have, ever.
You and I disagree about the need for a black cap toe. I do think it's a common one purchased, For some it may make sense though as the ONLY dress shoe they likely have. I choose a black wholecut instead.
 

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You and I disagree about the need for a black cap toe. I do think it's a common one purchased, For some it may make sense though as the ONLY dress shoe they likely have. I choose a black wholecut instead.
A black whole cut is more formal, but a black cap toe can do formal and business (as well as weddings/funerals). I think a whole cut is even more esoteric, and thus less likely to be purchased by the average shoe buyer, whereas a black cap toe will elicit "That's a dress shoe" from even the most confirmed athletic shoe buyer. Oh, I have both in my closet........
 

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A black whole cut is more formal, but a black cap toe can do formal and business (as well as weddings/funerals). I think a whole cut is even more esoteric, and thus less likely to be purchased by the average shoe buyer, whereas a black cap toe will elicit "That's a dress shoe" from even the most confirmed athletic shoe buyer. Oh, I have both in my closet........
True, but business rarely needs black shoes anymore--and same for funerals. Nobody really follows that anymore. PAs can work for black tie, but wholecuts do it better and with more fashion. Whoelcuts can also work for a funeral with most barely wearing any black shoes anyway--same for business, but with fashion.
 

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Question on McTavish fit. My McTavish in dublin tan came in today. I ordered it in 13 3E, same size as the Bartlett which is on the same last. Tried them on and they feel huge. Do others have similar experiences? Not sure if I just got a pair that is bigger or this is the typical fit.

I love the shoe, but it only shows available in D or 3E. I'd try another width but doesn't seem to be an option.
 

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True, but business rarely needs black shoes anymore--and same for funerals. Nobody really follows that anymore. PAs can work for black tie, but wholecuts do it better and with more fashion. Whoelcuts can also work for a funeral with most barely wearing any black shoes anyway--same for business, but with fashion.
And I'm 66 yrs old, so my concept of business shoes may be different, but what the hell, I still think everyone should have a pair of PA's, black or not.
 

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And I'm 66 yrs old, so my concept of business shoes may be different, but what the hell, I still think everyone should have a pair of PA's, black or not.
It’s a new time! PA is great. I have it in dark brown. I plan on using a black calf wholecut or black shell full brogue instead.
 

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It’s a new time! PA is great. I have it in dark brown. I plan on using a black calf wholecut or black shell full brogue instead.
It's always a new time, and someday whole cut and full brogue will be considered "old" and something (God help us it's not some sneaker derivative) will be considered "correct" but the cap toe Oxford will still be there, as a staple of classic men's dress. It's just a classic style.
 

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It's always a new time, and someday whole cut and full brogue will be considered "old" and something (God help us it's not some sneaker derivative) will be considered "correct" but the cap toe Oxford will still be there, as a staple of classic men's dress. It's just a classic style.
I’d rather see a move to luxury “dress” sneakers than to Nikes
 

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