@harlequin782 So I checked my closet and you're absolutely right, the rush had a regular welt. I remember when I got it and the neumok - with the neumok being unlined I just wear it way more often since it is one of the rare 65s that actually works really well for me. Rush at is more like normal - pressure at the top, vgap, etc. You know how you know you're in trouble? When you wear dress shoes 5-6 days a week and you wear casual styles so infrequently you don't even remember what they look like. Would you believe I recently saw that I had a Shelton and I literally didn't even know I owned that?