So like everyone else, I pulled the trigger on the 5th ave's in dark chili with dainite sole. I ordered a 8.5ee so I'll have to wait a few weeks to get it. However, please someone confirm I'm not crazy for ordering 8.5ee: I went to the Port Washington store last year and was fitted for a 9d. I walked out of there with a 9d Lexington, which is an open lace on the 65 last. My second purchase was a 9d strand (closed lace 65 last) from Brooks Brothers. It was way too tight in the forefoot, I returned it for a 9.5d which was way too long. I returned that for an 8.5eee which fits really good in length but feels a little too wide in the heel and around my ankle. In fact, the outside of the shoe hits my ankle when I walk and causes discomfort. I've also got a pair of McGreggor (seconds) in 9d which are too tight around the forefoot and another pair of McGreggor (firsts) in 9d which fit perfect. Basically I keep trying the 65 last and striking out. So I ordered this one in an 8.5ee. Crazy? You tell me.