Well, goes without saying I NEVER go by the AE website pictures. I come here (well the old thread) and search back through the posts. The lighting (and software on the digital cam) does have a big effect on the color. Between the two examples above, I think mine look more like RichieP's but with a little extra burnishing (?), though the left shoe of M635Guy is close too, if the redness is due to the lighting. I'm sure they'll patina with age nicely, but again, I'm pretty happy with the shade right now. EDIT: BTW my pictures were taken in crappy indoor lighting. Full sunlight, and I think I'm super close to RichieP's.