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All These Cheap Borrelli Shirts on Ebay

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by aportnoy, Apr 21, 2006.

  1. aportnoy

    aportnoy Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Fellas...here's a close up of the collar on one of the plethora of ridiculously low priced Borrelli shirts to have hit EBay of late. Does the collar look machine stitched to anyone else? I've never seen a Borrelli shirt with a machine stitched collar. FWIW, my advice is be extremely careful with these.

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  2. Stu

    Stu Senior member

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    The one thing that I find confusing is that Italian seller has a lot of those for BIN at $135, which is the same price that Ian sells them for. He does throw a few out there with no reserve and they go for about $55-$60.

    From that closeup those buttons look very nice at least.
     
  3. aportnoy

    aportnoy Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    The one thing that I find confusing is that Italian seller has a lot of those for BIN at $135, which is the same price that Ian sells them for. He does throw a few out there with no reserve and they go for about $55-$60.

    From that closeup those buttons look very nice at least.


    I agree that a lot of the trimmings look authentic enough, but there's no way to really fake the hand stitching. And, where is the little book that holds the additional collar stays and teels you who the seemstress who finished your shirt was? Dubious.
     
  4. Stu

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    johnapril Senior member

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    That's fake. It uses the same font as Borrelli but the tag is incorrect.
     
  6. Jovan

    Jovan Senior member

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    Oh? I was thinking it was cheap because it had urine stains on it.
     
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    Wow. I'm glad I failed in a bidding war by one mere dollar, then.

    Could someone tell me how you differentiate an handstitched collar from a machine stitched one? I'm a total newbie.
     
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    From the picture, the buttons and the label don't look right.

    It is quite sad that someone would go through the trouble to fake Luigi Borrelli. I mean, outside of this forum, the name is quite obscure to most everyone else. Could this be a sign of imminent ubiquity?
     
  9. Stu

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    From the picture, the buttons and the label don't look right.

    It is quite sad that someone would go through the trouble to fake Luigi Borrelli. I mean, outside of this forum, the name is quite obscure to most everyone else. Could this be a sign of imminent ubiquity?



    Maybe it's from the diffusion line. Coming soon to a Marshalls near you [​IMG]
     
  10. Pink22m

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  11. gdl203

    gdl203 Senior member Dubiously Honored Affiliate Vendor

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    It is quite sad that someone would go through the trouble to fake Luigi Borrelli. I mean, outside of this forum, the name is quite obscure to most everyone else.

    I don't think that's true. Borrelli is all over NYC for example and has a store right in front of Barney's - that's quite visible.
     
  12. chorse123

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    I don't think that's true. Borrelli is all over NYC for example and has a store right in front of Barney's - that's quite visible.

    And has been featured in fashion magazines. And commands good money on eBay. I have no idea if these are fake, but the impetus is surely there for someone to sell fakes.

    By the way, did anyone check out the article in Fortune this week on New Balance and "third shift" overruns? Fascinating.
     
  13. pejsek

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    I know nothing about this seller and it can be very difficult to draw definitive conclusions from pictures. But one thing that gives me pause is the size tag. Without rummaging through my shirts, it seems to me that all the Borrelli size tags are green on white and say Made In Italy where the tag attaches to the shirt. This tag looks more utilitarian--which must be seen as a strike agains authenticity, I think.
     
  14. demeis

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    They are real i bought 3 shirts from him. Hand Stiched button holes, hand stiched buttons in the crows foot stitch, hand stitched gusset and hand stiched sleeves. The things that don't have hand stiching are the collar and the cuff (at least it doesn't seem so when comparing it to my Finamore shirts). I don't think he would fake a borrelli shirt with all that handwork and he was also selling barba shirts which i doubt very many people know about. When i last talked to the seller it was because he had two accounts and he said one is his cousin and ones him (obviously) and they are affiliated with both factories but didn't go into detail. But these shirts as far as i can tell are real. I was worried to as it was a different label but the 3 i have are all excellent.
     
  15. GQgeek

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    Are all borrelli buttons exactly the same? The ones I have, even a polo shirt use the same really thick MOP button. The buttons on that shirt look thinner than usual.

    I have also never seen a Borrelli without a hand-attached collar, and I agree that the one shown looks like it was done by machine. I'm actually wearing a borrelli polo right now that's made of a pique fabrique but has a contrasting cotton collar attached by hand.

    On the whole it's difficult to tell because the resolution isn't quite high enough.
     
  16. aportnoy

    aportnoy Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    They are real i bought 3 shirts from him. Hand Stiched button holes, hand stiched buttons in the crows foot stitch, hand stitched gusset and hand stiched sleeves. The things that don't have hand stiching are the collar and the cuff (at least it doesn't seem so when comparing it to my Finamore shirts). I don't think he would fake a borrelli shirt with all that handwork and he was also selling barba shirts which i doubt very many people know about. When i last talked to the seller it was because he had two accounts and he said one is his cousin and ones him (obviously) and they are affiliated with both factories but didn't go into detail. But these shirts as far as i can tell are real. I was worried to as it was a different label but the 3 i have are all excellent.

    I hear what you're saying but here's my issue: I have well over 100 Borrelli shirts in my closet (sick, I know) and everyone of them has a hand stitched collar. These don't.
     
  17. demeis

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    I will try and take some pics later, probibly tommarow with the sunlight they will turn out better and its starting to get dark here and let you guys decide. I'm relatively new to handmade shirts but the other are pretty obviously done by hand but it seems to tight and to good to be done by hand on the collar.
     
  18. jtw3036

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    QUOTE][I hear what you're saying but here's my issue: I have well over 100 Borrelli shirts in my closet (sick, I know) and everyone of them has a hand stitched collar. These don't.[/quote]

    While I have not purchased from this specific seller. The 2 Borrelli shirts I purchased from the German Ebay Sellers (discussed in detail on this forum) have this same label.

    I sent them back due to the following:

    The shirt collar, and top yoke are machine stitched. The gusset are made in the same fabric as the shirt. This is not consistent with any Borrelli shirt I have purchased in the US.

    The only handwork I was able to find was at the:
    buttonholes
    armholes
    Gusset

    BTW...handwork is somewhat sloppy

    I will only go so far as to say, these shirts are lower quality than Borrelli shirts sold in the US.
     
  19. ragdoll

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    I've bought one of the Borrelli's and several Barbas from this (these) guys who are cousins. They certainly seem like the real thing. I think the fabrics are not the top end but the handwork seems legit.
     
  20. GQgeek

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    well it seems like some people are starting to sell fake high-end stuff from relatively unknown makers so I wouldn't be surprised if someone starts counterfeiting Borrellis. The fake Attolinis that were recently spotted on ebay are a good example. They might have some handwork, but it doesn't mean they're real.

    And also keep in mind what LV counterfeiters do. There are several levels of counterfeit LV bag, but some of them are REALLY well done. They are so well done in fact that people get away with charging about 50% retail of a real LV bag over ebay, and they can trick many a LV "connoiseur". How are they so well done? Someone has workshops in a place where they can pay really low wages to make stuff by hand and still turn a profit, even by selling them at such cheap prices.
     

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