Well, let's put it this way, the cordo longwings (in #8) are my only pair of Aldens that I wore enough to wear out ( still took over 15 years of 3 times a week). a great shoe and as i'm in the "bluchers with shits are ok" crowd I wore them with "city" suits all the time. Need a new pair but will probably do Ravello this time . Tom- a 12C Please. Personally, when given the choice I wear some really comfortable pink bunny slippers with my shits, but, like you, with suits I do like to wear some shoes that are a bit more rugged from time to time. Why not get the Dinkelacker Janosh K Longwings instead? http://www.heinrich-dinkelacker.de/d...e/janosh_k.pdf Order a Vass U or F last wingtip in Shell. Do a Double or Triple sole to get that clunk. My feeling about these is that sometimes the classic version is really the best one. The same goes for Weston Hunt Derbys and other semi-iconic shoes. The others mentioned may be "nicer" shoes, but they are a different thing.