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Agnostics and Atheists - do you ever pray?

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by suited, Apr 24, 2011.

  1. globetrotter

    globetrotter Senior member

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    I'm not quite sure what you are getting at. Wouldn't it be easier to tell your children that they are free to choose whatever they want, rather than explicitly tell them to believe/not believe? If my parents were really just pretending (note: lying to me) to be Christian/Jewish/Muslim/etc to raise me within a "religious framework" rather than teach me secular morals and responsibility, I would be pretty upset.

    that is the perspective of a kid vs an adult. sorry. you can't just give information to a kid and expect them to act on it, you need to give them tools to work with. you'll get it when you raise kids
     
  2. Incman

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    for my kids. its all an elaborate hoax that I am perpetrating on my kids. actually, I feel that kids should be raised with a religious framework so that they can make their own decisions. if I tell my kids that they shouldn't believe, they will be agnostics. if I raise them with some religion, they can make choices when they are older.
    aside from that, frankly, I enjoy the social framework and the tradition, it was what I was raised with.


    Fair enough. Cheers [​IMG]
     
  3. Fang66

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    that is the perspective of a kid vs an adult. sorry. you can't just give information to a kid and expect them to act on it, you need to give them tools to work with. you'll get it when you raise kids

    So by teaching your kids a bunch of crap that even you don't believe you are giving them tools to work with? Odd.
     
  4. Reggs

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    I don't pray, I'm an atheist.

    +1
     
  5. CouttsClient

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    that is the perspective of a kid vs an adult. sorry. you can't just give information to a kid and expect them to act on it, you need to give them tools to work with. you'll get it when you raise kids
    Don't you think you're stacking the deck in one direction vs another? You can educate children as to what people believe without guiding them into belief. I don't know if I actually understood what I was supposed to believe until about 10 or so and if my mother had told me that some people don't believe I think I would have understood. I went to a church function today. I love the tradition, enjoy the music (Baptist), and the feeling of community but haven't "believed" since about 14 or so.
     
  6. Nosu3

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    So by teaching your kids a bunch of crap that even you don't believe you are giving them tools to work with? Odd.

    +1 it doesn't make much sense. It just gives one tool and that would be whatever religion is being practiced. There will come a time when they are able to choose, whether or not they were exposed to a single religion during childhood.

    No one needs to tell children to not believe because everyone begins as atheist and may only go in the direction of a religion once they are exposed to it. By exposing children to a religion as if it is correct, they will be more inclined to follow it. I'd say the best way to promote choice would be absence from religious exposure so they remain naturally atheistic until they learn it later on and can then choose if they want to believe it.
     
  7. globetrotter

    globetrotter Senior member

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    +1 it doesn't make much sense. It just gives one tool and that would be whatever religion is being practiced. There will come a time when they are able to choose, whether or not they were exposed to a single religion during childhood.

    No one needs to tell children to not believe because everyone begins as atheist and may only go in the direction of a religion once they are exposed to it. By exposing children to a religion as if it is correct, they will be more inclined to follow it. I'd say the best way to promote choice would be absence from religious exposure so they remain naturally atheistic until they learn it later on and can then choose if they want to believe it.


    I think that you are wrong - people naturally believe, or want to believe. if you don't give kids some background, they will start looking for religion when they hit teenage years, and you never know what kind of crazy stuff they will come up with.
     
  8. CouttsClient

    CouttsClient Senior member

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    I think that you are wrong - people naturally believe, or want to believe. if you don't give kids some background, they will start looking for religion when they hit teenage years, and you never know what kind of crazy stuff they will come up with.

    You really believe this?

    I looked for a lot of things but religion wasn't one of them [​IMG]
     
  9. Harold falcon

    Harold falcon Senior member

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    Jews and Christians - do you ever watch hardcore gay anime porn?
     
  10. MetroStyles

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    There are worthwhile reasons to raise your kids with religion even if you yourself are not religious. For one, religious people tend to be happier. I would imagine that religious people are less likely to ask the existential questions that can lead to suicide. Religion provides a sense of community and belonging in the world and helps the child form a stronger identity.

    To all of those saying "why not give the kid a blank slate and start him off as an atheist?": we all know that to do so would diminish his chances of choosing religion to nearly nothing. Very few atheists choose religion. Some do, but they are few. It is hard to bring oneself to believe in the western concept of God after being brought up in a house that worships reason above all. I think some of the eastern religions lend themselves to self-initiation moreso than western ones. But without labeling belief systems as eastern or western, I think it is accurate to say than an atheist is more naturally drawn to "religions" that promote the idea of a universal oneness rather than a Judeochristian God. A rationalist can swallow the renunciation of reason a lot easier when he turns toward the "oneness" rather than toward "eat some bread, it's Christ's metaphorical body".

    I myself am not religious, but I won't say that I never will be, and I don't necessarily think I am better off than those who are.
     
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    Seems to me that many would pray if their life was threatened, regardless if they say they believe in a god(s) or not.
     
  12. w.o.e.is.me.

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    Results are in: Athiests are more likely to close their hands in prayer to the friction gods than Agnostics.

    [​IMG]
     
  14. suited

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    I think that you are wrong - people naturally believe, or want to believe. if you don't give kids some background, they will start looking for religion when they hit teenage years, and you never know what kind of crazy stuff they will come up with.
    This is what I'm hinting at. I'd also be interested in seeing how many people remain atheists as they age and grow old. Some tend to see one's belief in a deity as an inverted bell curve. It tends to be high during childhood, low throughout most of their life, and higher toward the end of life. This won't apply to everyone, but certainly to many.
     
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    ^ "Pray as thought everything depended on God, and work as though everything depended on you. " -- Ignatius of Loyola

    Great story, Tck13. Reminds me of the another saying: Prayer changes us, not God.


    There's lots of wisdom in them there religious books!
     
  17. Gibonius

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    I know a lot of people who do not believe or are not religious at least who use the church as basically an easy out for teaching morality to their kids. It's a lot easier to say "because God said so" than it is to really explain fundamentals of moral behavior. They don't go to church until their kids are born, then almost immediately stop once the kids head to college. It's quite lame really.
     
  18. tagutcow

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    People in this thread should pray for manlier post counts.
     
  19. Lane

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    I think now its no longer possible for me to even consider the possibility that "god" has been listening. All my torment and suffering from my past eventually stopped me from looking to god. It use to be my go to thing to do when I was young, and trapped in torment in my room, just pray, looool yah that helped.

    So, praying is not something I ever consider. Self-loathing is moreso the route I take or ego tripping. Both bring about the same results as always.
     
  20. HgaleK

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    I haven't prayed in an emergency situation since I decided that I was an atheist. I just don't believe. That said, I go to mass every now and then when I need a chane to mellow out or reflect, and I kind of pray there. It's normally me just having a conversation in my head while reflecting on what I've been through and the solutions. I'm used to praying, and so meditation via talking to an imaginary friend feels comfortable to me, even if it sounds a little insane.
     

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