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AGJiffy's Wall Street Indiviudally Modified Conservative Business Dress Week Threak

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Griffyndor, Jun 12, 2016.

  1. Griffyndor

    Griffyndor Senior member

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    you have now seen multiple posts that explain wall street in terms other than an "all suit environment" so we should dispense with that. And of course I have a theory. I just know you are going to be disappointed when you hear it so I'm trying to delay explaining it with pictures over time.
     
  2. Griffyndor

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    Are you saying that the most CBD of environments are not actually CBD and that individuals are modifying CBD and expressing themselves in non-CBD ways? That seems dangerous unless someone can set parameters around their choices with some sort of coherent theory as to what modifications are and aren't acceptable. We need such a person.
     
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  3. dieworkwear

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    I'm already disappointed now though, so at least we'll have a coherent combination between Monday, Tuesday, and the rest of the week.

    As far as I understood earlier, WS is moving back to suits.

    If an office is mostly chinos and button-ups, I think SC look a little out of place anyway (although, again, I don't think that's the end of the world).

    If the office is mostly SC + trousers, then this fits in, but I don't know many offices like that.

    If the office is largely permissive, then nuanced distinctions between these things will have little impact. In a NYC marketing agency, you could wear really avant garde SWD outfits, for example, and still be promoted.
     
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    I work in a very conservative place and pocket squares are okay if understated and simple. Simple white with rectangular fold just peeking from pocket (the Don Draper) works well with a dark suit. Clumsily stuffing in the oversize Pitti Uomo paisley is generally frowned upon. That said, most guys seem so sartorially unaware that they never notice in the first place. The ladies notice, though.
     
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    I used to work on Montgomery Street in the San Francisco Financial District, and on the train ride into work I'd occasionally get a Bart operator that said Montgomery Street was known as "Wall Street West." I've never heard that anywhere else and it has almost nothing to do with what I think this thread may and/or may not actually be about.
     
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    Just like French food. Requires trained taste.
     
  7. Caustic Man

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    If you have to train yourself to like something, how good is it?
     
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    Those are usually the best things.
     
  9. Caustic Man

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    You know, I remember reading an article in some academic journal about how people tend to value things that took some effort to acquire. Let's say you were accepted into a social club. If you got your acceptance letter in the mail and that was it, chances are you would not value it as much as a club in which you had to go through some kind of ceremony, task, or hazing to get into. It wouldn't matter if the club that you only got the letter from was more expensive, more elite, or more fun. You'd still probably value the club that you had to struggle to get into more. Even if it sucks. Same thing, I imagine, with acquired tastes. Just a thought before @sprout2 and @agjiffy start making out again.
     
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    ?

     
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    OK, now that I know you're serious. Social clubs are bad example. Think literature. If I give my teenage son to read Ana Karenina, he would say what a piece of cheesy love trash novel, and he would give up after 10 pages. I expect in few years he will acquire taste to read it cover to cover in a single breadth (like I did [​IMG] )
     
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    This is as good an answer as you're going to get. Manton's thread is a great resource too. I'm an attorney in NYC and interact with people on Wall St. and other conservative dressers. My advice, for what it's worth, is to limit yourself to one bold thing per day. For example if you're wearing a bold patterned suit, wear a solid or subtly patterned shirt and tie. The Italian CBD thread is another good resource. A lot of guys on Wall St. wear louder ties.

    Anyway, keep a charcoal/navy suit in the office with a navy tie. That way, if something comes up, you have a conservative outfit handy.
     
  13. Caustic Man

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    Why is your son wrong and you are right, though? (As an aside, I did actually think Anna Karenina was garbage)
     
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    Same thing works here. Plaid or boldly striped shirt means solid suit and tie and vice versa. One bold item is enough. I still like to pull off Funky Sport Coat Friday when the evil taskmasters are taking their long summer weekends. Can't alwys get away with it, though.
     
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    Because I was thinking exactly the same in his age ( Tolstoy is required reading in high school in my home country).
     
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    Exhibit A: Japanese pornography
     
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    And then you convinced yourself, for some reason, that you were wrong. That doesn't mean everyone need do that, nor that you were right to convince yourself of it. Anyway, let's not go too deeply into this. I'm not trying to prove it, just to toss out some food for thought. Namely, that just because you convince yourself that something is worthwhile doesn't necessarily mean it is for everyone.
     
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    I don't think anyone can convince him self to begin to like something. There is growing up, you know. There is also learning, which broadens understanding, which leads to appreciation, which might end in affection for something.

    Anyways, my analogy between French food and French tailoring is correct. Everyone speaks highly of it, few really understands what it's all about - I include myself here!
     
  19. Caustic Man

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    You've never seen a n00b bourbon drinker, have you? [​IMG]
     
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    I probably did, but instinctivelly looked the other way [​IMG]

    Oh wait, I did. Once, in a mirror [​IMG]
     
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