Hmmm. So 187 for seconds or 236 for New? Not sure which way to go. I have an AE store pretty close to my office so it is nice to just stop in and make sure I get the size right and just order from them. But ~50$ is a large difference and Im not the kind of person that will probably notice any small defects on a pair of seconds. I would recommend giving the seconds store a call and talking to them. Let them know that you are a little picky and that you're willing to accept minor flaws, but if something comes in with heavy scuffing or weird problems it will be returned. While most seconds look very good, some can be really bad. Of the four I bought: Leeds - were absolutely perfect - no idea why they were seconds Plain toe (I forget which) - perfect condition Clifton - worst of the bunch, had very odd distressed leather on the side that I found unacceptable Loafer (I forget which) - moderate scuffing on the front toe of one of them. Bad enough where I returned it So... I've run around 50%.