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Advice: What to tell my girlfriend

EBugatti

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Women get their ideas on fashion from magazines, celebrities, what's "in" at the moment, what the "cool kids" are wearing etc. this is completely different from men. That's why she is pushing the new awful "trendy" looks. I bet she prefers square-toed Aldos and Kenneth Coles to EG, CJ et al. put her in her place man.
 

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Example - the cummerbund. Its function is not to be seen, but simply to cover the part beneath the jacket button, so that you don't get an unsightly little white strip of shirt showing through. Since your jacket should be buttoned up the whole time you are wearing it, it will cover almost all of the cummberbund. So, the cummerbund, if chosen in the correct colour (i.e. black) is basically invisible. The ONLY time it is seen is when, if you were not wearing one (and had no waistcoat instead), the shirt front bottom would be showing - which looks a lot uglier than a patch of black cummerbund.

Next: bow tie vs normal tie. The reason a bow tie is worn, is not to look like a penguin or a 60 something WASP Republican, but to avoid having a tie dropping into your dinner. It is, after all, called a DINNER SUIT - you will be eating/drinking several courses at a table for 2+ hours, the last thing you want is a waist-length tie flopping around in the gravy or red wine and getting it and your white shirt stained. Ties also tend to get out of place when dancing, carousing, and so on. Plus, a BLACK bow tie with a dinner suit, looks sharp (google some pics of Connery/007 and show her).


While these reasons make sense, are they the only valid reasons for choosing such accessories? I ask because they seem to conflict a bit with things I've seen/heard. Regarding the cummerbund, I've heard that one is supposed to leave a dinner jacket open (the way a tailcoat is left open) which therefore negates the stated reason for a waist covering. In that case it would seem to me that its primary purpose is to keep anyone seeing the transition from studs to buttons, since nobody has studs all the way down a shirt.

And regarding the bow tie, that doesn't seem to make much sense for those wearing a waistcoat, since it would be behind the waistcoat. It makes extra good sense for those with a cummerbund, since it would look ridiculous to have the tie hang below that, though. I always assumed it had something to do with the fact that a bow was worn for white tie (which originated well before today's neck tie was the norm for daytime dress) and was worn as a matter of tradition.

Then again, I could be wrong on some of the above, as they're just my observations (other than the open jacket, which I've read about here).
 

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Women get their ideas on fashion from magazines, celebrities, what's "in" at the moment, what the "cool kids" are wearing etc. this is completely different from men. That's why she is pushing the new awful "trendy" looks.

B I N G O ! Stand up for yourself now ... before it's too late.
 

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Here's the thing. We don't know how you look in the outfit you want to wear.

You could be wearing the right style but the fit or the ensemble altogether might not look congruent or it looks old fashioned cause the cut is from the 90s which leads her to think you need to follow a prescribed style that she's seen somewhere.

Why don't you post a pic of you in the particular outfit. Perhaps tweaking it may make her change her mind.
 
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If your GF's experience with black tie is truly as she suggests, she's hanging out with too damned many people who take their fashion cues from watching red carpet events on Entertainment Tonight. I have yet to attend any black tie event where your GF's styling cues are the norm. If you want to look as "trendy" and clueless as the rest of the hip crowd, be my guest. While proper black tie dress may not have the "in" look, it will never be out of place.
 
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this thread has delivered enough lols for us (with wife) to an otherwise ****** week for me...Thanks guys
 

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