Craiger
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Styleforum is a gigantic exercise in confirmation bias.
Aren't most forums?
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Styleforum is a gigantic exercise in confirmation bias.
Good God, if it was a problem every time my girlfriend didn't know what the hell she was talking about, I'd be sailing nothing but stormy seas. As it is, things are mostly alright.
What the OP's girlfriend is recommending isn't really black tie. If 'most people' are dressing like what she wants, then the OP and his gf aren't attending real black tie functions. So don't worry about it. Leave the tux and all in the closet. Wear a navy solid suit (with some mohair would be nice) a white shirt, dark shiny tie, black calf oxfords and call it an evening. Then treat the evening as reconnaisance. If it's true that hardly anyone else is wearing a tux then you're cool as cabbage. If not, then point this fact out to your girlfriend and head to the bar. Wear your tux the next time, and wear it the way you want it.
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Now that's some damned good advice.
Thanks for all of the advice. The reason for my OP was for advice on how to explain correct formal attire to a girlfriend who doesn't agree. I don't need any confirmation on what the right attire is.
So were the events you were invited to actually "black tie" events, or were they just the sort of events to which one might wear black tie, or perhaps listed as "black tie optional" but where not 1/10 would be wearing a tuxedo and not serving drinks?
Thanks for all of the advice. The reason for my OP was for advice on how to explain correct formal attire to a girlfriend who doesn't agree. I don't need any confirmation on what the right attire is.
What I find annoying is that she actually thinks that a straight tie, regular white shirt, and business shoes are appropriate for BT and that the traditional accessories look bad and are not in style any more. She said that since most people don't wear a bow and patent shoes and all the rest, then that should tell me something about what's in style. I countered that one reason that so many people do BT wrong is because they just don't want to spend the money on the right accessories. Still, she says that patent shoes look feminine, bow ties look awful, and a cummerbund looks like something an old man would wear.
I spent a fair amount of time on my dinner suit, and it's the second one that I've owned. I used to shop at A.T. Harris.
She is basing her opinion on black tie functions that she attended in the past. I don't know how serious the dress code was for any of them because I wasn't there. The one we're going to is a charity function and we live in New York City, so I'm guessing that it'll be fairly formal.
What I find annoying is that she actually thinks that a straight tie, regular white shirt, and business shoes are appropriate for BT and that the traditional accessories look bad and are not in style any more. She said that since most people don't wear a bow and patent shoes and all the rest, then that should tell me something about what's in style. I countered that one reason that so many people do BT wrong is because they just don't want to spend the money on the right accessories. Still, she says that patent shoes look feminine, bow ties look awful, and a cummerbund looks like something an old man would wear.
I spent a fair amount of time on my dinner suit, and it's the second one that I've owned. I used to shop at A.T. Harris.
Wing collar, good luck with that. Not a fan.
After my OP I noticed that I got rid of the wing collar at some point and replaced it with a turn down collar. I prefer the wing but I'm ok with either.
FTFY.yeah, yeah. Give in now - give in forever.
Look - relationships are power struggles, pure and simple. You've got to stand up for yourself and centuries of tradition and Do The Right Thing, young man. Accept no compromise! Your future and your reputation depend on this. Go get another wing collar and wear it often! Assert your manliness or prepare to hand your genitalia to the girlfriend for safekeeping, she will embark on a life of noisy sexual fulfillment with other men while you stay at home washing dishes, ironing the dishtowels and reading Das Kapital in what little spare time is granted to you.
Tell her that you choose your own clothing. Don't let her tell you how to dress ... or it will be never ending.It's tux season again, and my girlfriend has very strong opinions about my suit. She prefers spread collar to wing, straight tie to bow, and thinks my patent oxfords look feminine. Predictably, she also hates the cummerbund and isn't crazy about peaked lapels. She (rightly) says that most men at black tie functions dress the way that she recommends. How to I explain to her in a way that she'll understand?
She actually said that I will embarrass her if I wear the outfit that I have.
Next: bow tie vs normal tie. The reason a bow tie is worn, is not to look like a penguin or a 60 something WASP Republican, but to avoid having a tie dropping into your dinner. It is, after all, called a DINNER SUIT - you will be eating/drinking several courses at a table for 2+ hours, the last thing you want is a waist-length tie flopping around in the gravy or red wine and getting it and your white shirt stained. Ties also tend to get out of place when dancing, carousing, and so on. Plus, a BLACK bow tie with a dinner suit, looks sharp (google some pics of Connery/007 and show her).
Peak lapels vs notch. The reason for peak lapels is to emphasise the v-shape of a man's torso. Dinner suits are fitted more tightly, and the one-button design gives more of a classic v-shape silhouette. Peak lapels enhance this. Plus, it distinguishes it from a normal business suit. Notch lapels aren't 'wrong' but peak look better, in most people's opinion, and they are more trad.