Adding a thin layer of rubber sole to leather-sole

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  1. JBZ

    JBZ Senior member

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    In visiting the Edward Green website, I note that the refurbishment page states specifically that the shoes CANNOT be refurbished if previously re-soled by a third party. Thus, perhaps I did catch them on a good day.

    Jeff
     
  2. kabert

    kabert Senior member

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    Or, the EG site is out of date (it does seem dated generally in terms of information, an awful showing of pictures of the shoes, etc.). Or, EG wants to steer/scare customers towards its service.

    Or, maybe you just caught them on a good day.
     
  3. faustian bargain

    faustian bargain Senior member

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    surely they would do the refurbishment for a paying customer...? what they might NOT do, is warranty the work if the shoe had been previously tampered with.
     
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    Manton, you mention the use of a steel plate on the toe. With several new shoes that I have (Vass, EG, etc.), I'm noticing that the toe is an area where I get considerably more wear than other parts of the sole (I must walk in a "strange" manner... :-/ ). In what way has the steel plate solution been unsatisfactory for you? Someone recently posted a picture of an EG shoe where they had put on the steel toe; it looked very nice, and I'm thinking about doing this on future purchases. Appreciate your thoughts on this.
     
  5. Manton

    Manton RINO Dubiously Honored

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    First of all, the clicking sound (loud as a gunshot on some surfaces) can be annoying. Second, on marble or other slick surfaces, the foot can slip embarrassingly, and sometimes painfully if you completely lose your balance.  Third (not so common, but still), airport security people can entertain ... strange thoughts about such shoes.  Explaining them can sometimes take a while.  Fourth (and most important) I tend to wear out the toe quickly, too, but do so unevenly, especially on the right foot.  To get the necessary coverage, I would, I'm told, require a much large piece of steel than is generally advised or comfortable.  And the clicking would only get worse.

    I agree that the EG photos look great, which is why I was eager to try it.  Not the thing for me, though.  If the rubber solution doesn't work, I may nonetheless pledge allegiance to steel as the alternative to frequent, expensive resoling.
     
  6. armscye

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    Having actually been there and done that, I wonder if I can join the "hearsay/speculation" party?

    1. On the advice of my oldtime Portuguese cobbler Mr. da Cunha, I have had every one of my 70+ pairs of dress shoes fitted with Vibram-brand 2mm urethane sole protectors over the past fifteen years. They are offered in 3-4 colors.

    2. The benefits are a complete elimination of resoling as well as reduced slippage.

    3. The first pair to which this material was applied was a pair of burgundy Church's captoes, circa 1990. They remain to this day unrotted, unaffected, and indeed I have not worn through the urethane layer.

    4. They have essentially no effect on appearance when viewed from any angle except the sole.

    5. I have noted no additional heat build-up or moisture build-up. Based upon my personal disassembly of a pair of Goodyear soled Bostonians several years ago, it is my empirical observation that between the outersole and your foot are at least two layers of glue and pitch-type material, which effectively prevent any "outgassing" through the sole. Shoes, in brief, breathe through their uppers.

    6. Anyone who has ever seen a shoe resoled knows that it is a violent process in which the cobbler forcefully cuts the shoe
    apart and rebuilds it on a generic last. Sole protectors eliminate the need for such dismemberment. How anyone can argue that such resoling is better for a pair of shoes than a thin layer of urethane is beyond me.
     
  7. Manton

    Manton RINO Dubiously Honored

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    Thing is, bespoke shoes can have such lovely soles ... But on the larger issue, I'm with you in my willingness to sacrifce some beauty (that is in any case almost always hidden from view) for the sake of greater durability and lesser expense.
     
  8. stache

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    Just tell the cobbler that you want dance rubber on the soles. I have never noticed advanced rotting on shoes from rubber. Manton have you considered plastic taps for your toes? They're quiet. [​IMG]
     
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    How would the leather sole + rubber compare to rubber soles?
     
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    I think some of you guys are headed for the rubber room [​IMG] Grayson
     
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    Not to hijack this thread, but I thought it is somewhat related, only reversed. Is it a good idea to change the rubber heel of a shoe to a leather heel? Or even better, change the entire rubber sole to leather sole? Are there limitations preventing this or is it perfectly fine?

    About adding rubber to the leather soles, I think it covers the sole completely and nothing can be seen through (opaque), right? If so, I do hope someone invents, or if it is already around, start using, transparent rubber these add-on soles...

    Thanks,
    WJTW
     
  12. kolecho

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    (armscye @ April 06 2005,17:40) 4. They have essentially no effect on appearance when viewed from any angle except the sole.
    Thing is, bespoke shoes can have such lovely soles ... But on the larger issue, I'm with you in my willingness to sacrifce some beauty (that is in any case almost always hidden from view) for the sake of greater durability and lesser expense.
    This coming from Manton? That is unbelievable. Perhaps I will strike lottery today if I bought something [​IMG] Why not just get rubber soled shoes in the first place? Is there a difference between leather sole that has a rubber wearing surface added, and a rubber sole like Dainite?
     
  13. Walter

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    leather + rubber creates a more formal (thin) look to the shoe and is also more durable IMO. I have had rubber soles replaced several times on some of my dress shoes.
    Once the rubber soles of a rubber soled shoes are dead, the shoe itself is dead I think.
     
  14. kolecho

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    Well, with the addition of a thin rubber sole, the nice sound a leather sole makes when walking would be lost [​IMG]
     
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    l place Topy's on some of my leather sole shoes. lt greatly increases the durability of the shoe. l won't have to do a reburbishment ever because l have enough shoes. Good old Grayson made a comment about Topy's roting the sole. That really concernes me .
     

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