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Academic dress

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by stripes22, Jan 22, 2005.

  1. aarghh

    aarghh Senior member

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    I'd tell those students to get a life, and attempt to get an education. I'm sure you don't base grades on how students dress; so I'll be damned if a student tells me how to dress - within, of course, the bounds of decency. Or were they just bothered by the phallic symbolism of the tie?
     
  2. KevinR

    KevinR Well-Known Member

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    It is nice to hear that the college I teach at is not that different from the rest. My associate dean is a pretty sharp dresser, but I believe it is due to his wife. Other than him, it is pretty bad around here. If I put on something as ordinary as chinos, dress shirt, and sport coat, I get comments on if I have a meeting or something.

    Its a sad state around here.
     
  3. thinman

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    Originally Posted by thinman,Jan. 24 2005,12:56
    When I started teaching at a Midwestern university, secretaries would mistake me for a student, [​IMG] so I wore a coat and tie to class so the students wouldn't mistake me for another student. Two or three students immediately told me in written course evaluations, "lose the tie". So now I wear a herringbone or glen plaid coat, no tie.
    I'd tell those students to get a life, and attempt to get an education. I'm sure you don't base grades on how students dress; so I'll be damned if a student tells me how to dress - within, of course, the bounds of decency. Or were they just bothered by the phallic symbolism of the tie?
    Who knows for sure? But like my colleagues who would tease a sharp dresser, I suspect they're just a little insecure about themselves.
     
  4. thinman

    thinman Senior member

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    Recently visited a local, top-of-the-line menswear store, hoping to try on Alden cordovan loafers. None in stock and the owner was out so I left a business card. When the owner called he told me it would look strange for a professor to wear such shoes. They're for CEOs of multinational corporations. I guess professors should all dress like the caricatures of Einstein?.? (in fairness, he did suggest Johnston & Murphy which he also sells). Wasn't sure whether to smack him for suggesting that academics shouldn't wear good shoes [​IMG] or thank him for suggesting I ease into higher quality shoes (the ultra-positive spin). I won't do either and I also won't be going back to his store...waiting for Grenson's to arrive at Bennies and scouting for good shoes at bargain prices. Need to diversify my footwear with some quality loafers and brown wingtips. Aldens hard to find here...
     
  5. STYLESTUDENT

    STYLESTUDENT Senior member

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    As a newcomer to the forum, and if you haven't read the numerous prior posts on the Grensons, you should be careful about the (narrow) Grenson fit before you order them. A 9E Alden tassel loafer (Aberdeen last), a 9E Alden cordovan penny loafer (Plaza last-runs big), and a 9E Grenson from Bennies vary widely.
     
  6. Manton

    Manton Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    thinman: J&M are not higher quality than Alden, not even close. And the store owner you describe sounds like a jackass. For one thing, cordovan loafers are about as Ivy League Trad academic as it gets. Few CEOs would be caught dead in them. For another, its one thing to give advice when asked. Gratuitously insulting potential customers is another matter.
     
  7. jasonpraxis

    jasonpraxis Well-Known Member

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    The composer Erik Satie had a similar habit (compulsion?), stocking his wardrobe with a dozen identical suits and scores of identical handkerchiefs. Umbrellas, too, I believe. I kind of admire the simplicity of the approach, but it would take away too much of the enjoyment I get from clothes, what I own and what I aspire to, if I were to emulate the habit.

    The professorial style in my English departments has been solidly casual: jeans, sweaters, polos. Often the students dress up more than the professors, but then the professors have job security. Those of us on the other side of the table were still in vocational training.
     
  8. Horace

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    (thinman @ Jan. 24 2005,17:41) waiting for Grenson's to arrive at Bennies and scouting for good shoes at bargain prices. Â Need to diversify my footwear with some quality loafers and brown wingtips. Â Aldens hard to find here...
    As a newcomer to the forum, and if you haven't read the numerous prior posts on the Grensons, you should be careful about the (narrow) Grenson fit before you order them. A 9E Alden tassel loafer (Aberdeen last), a 9E Alden cordovan penny loafer (Plaza last-runs big), and a 9E Grenson from Bennies vary widely.
    I'll second this. I've found Grenson to be rather narrow, and I always thought (though I could be wrong) that I've taken a rather normal width last in both Brit. and Amer. shoes. As for finding Aldens: have you tried the directory on their site? Might help. The trick is to find your size in each last, so you can then take advantage of all the on-line deals (something I haven't yet done).
     
  9. Horace

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    I sort of admire that too.

    As for the academic front: consider the decline in dress against the explosion in the number of those who go to the universities and probably the moral seriousness with which academics take their own jobs and perhaps more importantly the regretable decline in the way in someways the public sees an academic. They should be respected as much as any other profession. Probably more so, in some ways. Of course one can also credit the 60's to an extent and the ability to remain childish in a structure that perpetuates it.
     
  10. Fabienne

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    Very true. He dressed like a civil servant. Always the same bowler hat, the same jacket, always too short. Except it wasn't the same jacket: he owned many, all identically too short and tight fitting.
     
  11. thinman

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    Thanks manton. I've already learned from reading the many posts here and on "Ask Andy" (quite a few of them yours. I'm amazed by the collective knowledge here [​IMG] ) that J&M's are not nearly comparable to Aldens. They seem to be intermediate quality. And yes, the store owner is a jackass. stylestudent and horace, thanks for the advice about widths for Grenson's. It's my understanding that since I wear 11 1/2D in American sizes, my first try should probably be 11E European. In your experience, does that hold true for Grenson's? Also, my encounter with a jackass was my first try at finding my size in the various Alden lasts. It looks like I may need a road trip to Dallas or I could wait until May, when I'll be in DC and should have half a day to shoe shop.
     
  12. STYLESTUDENT

    STYLESTUDENT Senior member

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    Yes, but based on my own size 9s they may be an 1/8" narrower than what your customary size. As for Grensons, I'd definitely wait for Bennies (return privileges in the event of misfit are obviously easier to exercise with a U.S. store)
     
  13. thinman

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  14. Horace

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    Sir,

    My experience with the grensons is that they're a bit narrow for me.  But length seemed true to size of others in my experience (C&J).

    I don't know really, as I am not the best with shoes.  I know what fits me, and unless I really know the shoe and the maker and have worn it before, I am loathe to buy over internet or anywhere else but in store.

    That being said, I have a relative that wears 1/2 smaller than me, and he's got bespokes Lobbs to give away.  Also, I really would like a  pair of Trickers and didn't go into shop last time in London and am hesitant to order over Internet.    But the Trickers country brogues in burnt espresso with leather soles have my eye.

    edit: I don't recall if you said that the jackass had Aldens in stock or not, but why don't you at least have him fit you for them. And then order them somewhere else. That way you'll know the size you want for the model you want. And remind the churl that as a professor, you're much more important (and deserving of respect) than any CEO.
     
  15. johnw86

    johnw86 Senior member

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    I'm a bit late to this thread--we lost the internet connection in my department and I was limited to e-mail only for 3 days this week. (Got a lot of work done, but going without StyleForum was hard.)

    My campus is pretty casual, but I've been wearing suits regularly since I arrived here a decade ago. Yes, I got the comments about interviews/important meetings regularly at first, but over time, people have accepted that this is what I wear.

    I used to wear bow ties regularly, but the students would comment on their evaluations--"lose the bow ties" was pretty common. Since I didn't want that to be a distraction, I've cut back on bow tie frequency, especially on teaching days--although my wife says I shouldn't have given in so easily.
     
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    Resurrecting this, with some recent observations on what professors are wearing these days, at least here in the SW U.S.

    This is in context of my other post (http://www.styleforum.net/showthread.php?t=76768) about options for what to wear in a casual environment. I was at the monthly Faculty Senate meeting yesterday, and during a boring presentation I took a survey of the men's clothing choices of the faculty and administrators. The results:

    Provost (2nd in command after President, who is a woman): Sport coat over a polo shirt.
    A Dean: Khaki suit with tie. The only suit in the room.
    Faculty Senate Chair: polo shirt
    Faculty Senate Vice-Chair: OCBD shirt

    Faculty:

    Polo shirts, some with logos: 8
    Short sleeve shirt with buttons all the way down the front (Dilbert type?) 7
    OCBD or OC long sleeve, no tie: 8
    OCBD long sleeve, tie, no coat: 1
    Sport coat and OC shirt long sleeve, no tie: 1
    T-shirt, solid color: 1

    So of the 30 men in the room, only three were wearing coats, and only two had ties. It will be interesting to see how this changes when the weather turns cooler in late Oct.-Nov.
     
  17. voxsartoria

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    For one thing, cordovan loafers are about as Ivy League Trad academic as it gets...Gratuitously insulting potential customers is another matter.

    Are you sure about that last part?


    - B
     
  18. JimmyT

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    The norm here is similar to what is described...faculty (non-administrators) generally don't wear suits (I'd guess around 1 in 40 do). The rest can be broken down into thirds.
    1/3 wear a jacket and trousers.
    1/3 wear slacks (usually khakis) and a button down shirt of some type or polo shirt.
    1/3 wear jeans and whatever.

    Colleagues that wear suits don't generally receive comments from other colleagues unless they are changing the way they dress and people aren't used to seeing them in that manner.

    Nearly all the administrators at the Dean level or higher wear suits.

    From what I've noticed, the more urban your campus is, the more suits you'll see.

    --JT
     
  19. james_timothy

    james_timothy Senior member

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    I was participating in a review the other month-
    the reviewers mostly wore navy blazers, tieless,
    the senior reviewees wore dark suits with ties.
    The work a day scientists wore whatever- khakis, jeans.
    Interestingly, the NSF* folks all wore white or cream
    sports coats.

    I have to think that this is the NSF uniform.
    The Guys in the White Jackets.

    *NSF=National Science Foundation
     

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