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Abs, Chest, and Arms

Discussion in 'Health & Body' started by Linkz, Feb 13, 2008.

  1. beasty

    beasty Senior member

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    That is just not humanely possible [​IMG] ... and to his credit he's like a 100 and still performing.

    Also, to Ronnies credit, isn't he a police officer in the off-season?

    But the reason for the post, what is the thought on guys like Marius Pudzianowski, particularly in comparison to Body Builders?


    Think when Ronnie was Olympia he quitted the force.
    Not exactly sure whether he was an actual Texas cop before that or just auxiliary or reserve cop.

    Bet the crooks will be petrified to see this 300 pounds man asking them did they beat their kids.
     
  2. Philosoph

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    Homoerotica, anyone? You seem to be so far in the closet that you've reached Narnia.

    I thought even the T-Nation guys agreed that bodybuilders today are inordinately less aesthetic than they used to be.
     
  3. beasty

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    Homoerotica, anyone? You seem to be so far in the closet that you've reached Narnia.

    I thought even the T-Nation guys agreed that bodybuilders today are inordinately less aesthetic than they used to be.


    Must you turn everything into tawdry sex?

    FYI I am not turned on by women pro bodybuilders like Chivesky and even the fitness olympia chicks are a bit turn off for me.

    However I do give credit and respect those like Jay and Ronnie who through dedication and hardwork and sacrifice become true legends and giants in their fields.

    I would put them in the same hallowed class as Tiger, Rog Fed, Levron etc etc.
     
  4. beasty

    beasty Senior member

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    I thought even the T-Nation guys agreed that bodybuilders today are inordinately less aesthetic than they used to be.

    Those are anachronists.

    Sergio, Lee and Arnold bettered Sandow just like Jay, Ronnie and Dorian bettered Sergio and co. Are you telling me Sergio and co roided? So everybody roided?

    The truth is times moved on and standards moved on.
    Sergio wont even qualify for Olympia today.
    Training and nutrition change.

    These people also use that as an excuse because they are unwilling to sacrifice to get Jay's body.

    You always see people in the gym scoffing at others for working hard and at the saying how they dont want to look like a musclehead. The truth is these people want to look like that but are too lazy to sacrifice to look like that.
     
  5. Saucemaster

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    You always see people in the gym scoffing at others for working hard and at the saying how they dont want to look like a musclehead. The truth is these people want to look like that but are too lazy to sacrifice to look like that.

    You've got some serious projection going on there.

    I can honestly say, with as close to 100% certainty that I am being fully transparent to myself as is humanly possible, that I would never, ever want to look like a bodybuilder. Even a "normal" bodybuilder, much less the crazy extremes of someone like Ronnie Coleman. I can respect how hard it is to develop that kind of body, but seriously, it's grotesque.

    I do not, however, scoff at people who manage to build these (admittedly grotesque) bodies. It takes all sorts of hard work and willpower.
     
  6. Philosoph

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    The truth is times moved on and standards moved on.

    You always see people in the gym scoffing at others for working hard and at the saying how they dont want to look like a musclehead. The truth is these people want to look like that but are too lazy to sacrifice to look like that.


    Standards do not always change for the better. Change is not always positive.

    I've yet to see anyone scoff at a hard-working person in the gym. Those who do not work hard annoy the heck out of me most of the time. But there are also people who work as hard as they can...and yet... don't want to look like Mr. Olympia. Packing on the most size that is humanly possible is not the only possible goal. Yes, it takes a heck of a lot of hard work and dedication to get to the current Olympia level. The question is: should that be the goal? Answering for myself, and I believe, most well-adjusted people, the answer is no.
     
  7. Brian278

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    It seems like you folks are getting awfully worked up over a slightly above average second-year QB.
     
  8. whacked

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    It seems like you folks are getting awfully worked up over a slightly above average second-year QB.

    How random. Good timing too, I almost fell asleep reading about beasty's inane "manhood" ideals.
     
  9. Saucemaster

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    It seems like you folks are getting awfully worked up over a slightly above average second-year QB.

    Actually, that was my initial reaction, before I remembered there was another Jay Cutler.

    For that matter, the Broncos QB is definitely closer to what I'd consider an "ideal physique" than the bodybuilder, but to each his own.
     
  10. beasty

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    You've got some serious projection going on there.

    I can honestly say, with as close to 100% certainty that I am being fully transparent to myself as is humanly possible, that I would never, ever want to look like a bodybuilder. Even a "normal" bodybuilder, much less the crazy extremes of someone like Ronnie Coleman. I can respect how hard it is to develop that kind of body, but seriously, it's grotesque.

    I do not, however, scoff at people who manage to build these (admittedly grotesque) bodies. It takes all sorts of hard work and willpower.


    Grotesque? Grotesque?
    You are barking so far up the wrong tree, you are barking at a flagpole.

    Grotesque would be women who have excessive breast implants or facelifts. Grotesque would be clowns who perform surgery themselves.

    What Ronnie and all are doing is pushing their body to the limits.

    Instead of settling at 100 kg bench at 6 reps, they as imagine-nauts asked themselves can they do 110 kg, 120 kg and so on.

    Instead of 21 inch arms, they asked, can they go 23 inch or 24 inch and so on.

    Therefore what you have is a natural and logical consequence.
    Not unlike a man who scale one peak and ask can he scale all peaks in America and the world.

    If you are not in the gym, training to be a better golfer, swimmer etc, then your ideal should be what a bodybuilder looks like, V shape lats, X shape body, proportionate bodyparts.

    Surely your ideal is not large upper body and no legs? Or large quads and no calves or large lats and no chest?
     
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    If you are not in the gym, training to be a better golfer, swimmer etc, then your ideal should be what a bodybuilder looks like, V shape lats, X shape body, proportionate bodyparts.

    No. Please try that one again.
     
  12. Fat-Elvis

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    Beasty's dream body: [​IMG]
     
  13. beasty

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    Beasty's dream body:

    [​IMG]


    Now thats grotesquely hilarious.
     
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    FYI I am not turned on by women...


    Sums it all up.
     
  15. Saucemaster

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    Grotesque? Grotesque?
    You are barking so far up the wrong tree, you are barking at a flagpole.

    Grotesque would be women who have excessive breast implants or facelifts. Grotesque would be clowns who perform surgery themselves.

    What Ronnie and all are doing is pushing their body to the limits.

    Instead of settling at 100 kg bench at 6 reps, they as imagine-nauts asked themselves can they do 110 kg, 120 kg and so on.

    Instead of 21 inch arms, they asked, can they go 23 inch or 24 inch and so on.

    Therefore what you have is a natural and logical consequence.
    Not unlike a man who scale one peak and ask can he scale all peaks in America and the world.

    If you are not in the gym, training to be a better golfer, swimmer etc, then your ideal should be what a bodybuilder looks like, V shape lats, X shape body, proportionate bodyparts.

    Surely your ideal is not large upper body and no legs? Or large quads and no calves or large lats and no chest?


    I hate to be the one to break it to you, but if you actually want to maintain proportion, you're going to have to realize that bigger is not always better. There comes a point where someone is simply too big, both from an aesthetic and a functional standpoint. It's amusing that you brought up breast implants and surgery, because I see it as almost exactly analogous aesthetically, though the means are different. C-cups are nice, so why not D-cups? But then, why not DD-cups? Hell, why not screw two hot air balloons to her chest! We'll just give her wider hips to stay in proportion. Nevermind that she's not getting any taller, and that in itself is throwing everything completely out of proportion.

    My formulation is:

    Porn star : female form :: bodybuilder : male form. Both are essentially (unintentional) self-parody.
     
  16. why

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    That is untrue.

    If it is, any numbnuts who lift weights and according to rumours, roid up will be a contender for Mr Olympia. But no, you always see the same faces in Olympia and the fact is its hard to get your IFBB pro card. Just look at the difference between those who have the card and the also rans.


    That's like saying 'anybody who works will not get to be CEO of a major corporation, therefore it's genetics that determines who gets to be a CEO.' It's a dumb argument because it completely leaves out many factors.

    Yes, and we should also see more blacks in politics. Percentages in a given industry are not dependent upon a genetic factor and there's many other factors (financial, social, etc.) to consider.

    Ummm....what? That didn't even make sense.

    Great argument. How about I ask ten bodybuilders and list all the different responses?
     
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    Therefore what you have is a natural and logical consequence.
    Not unlike a man who scale one peak and ask can he scale all peaks in America and the world.


    That consequence is neither natural nor logical. I've scaled a peak, and I didn't feel a sudden desire to climb every mountain in America. Not all peaks are worth scaling.

    [​IMG]
     
  18. Saucemaster

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    That consequence is neither natural nor logical. I've scaled a peak, and I didn't feel a sudden desire to climb every mountain in America. Not all peaks are worth scaling.

    [​IMG]


    You're just jealous because you wish your logic was that unassailable. It's like drinking. At a BAC of .04%, I am happy. At a BAC of .08%, I am happier. Therefore, as BAC approaches 100%, I must approach ultimate happiness. [​IMG]
     
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    You're just jealous because you wish your logic was that unassailable. It's like drinking. At a BAC of .04%, I am happy. At a BAC of .08%, I am happier. Therefore, as BAC approaches 100%, I must approach ultimate happiness. [​IMG]

    There are limits to a function, even as X (BAC in this case) approaches infinity. [​IMG]

    Jon.
     
  20. Saucemaster

    Saucemaster Senior member

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    There are limits to a function, even as X (BAC in this case) approaches infinity. [​IMG]

    Jon.


    What are you, a nihilist? There is no limit to happiness.
     

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