I know they are a "mall brand" yadda yadda yadda ... I got a couple of their buttondown shirts on sale - their button down shirts are very slim fitting, and are made pretty well for $40 (on sale). The buttons are thick and shanked, the armholes are high, the sleeves are slim and the body length is fine for wearing tucked or untucked. They have quite a few plaid patterns this year and pretty good looking flannels this fall. I just don't get the hate for A&F here. I hate their logo'd shirt and would never buy them, but the button down shirts are pretty good imo. Has anyone tried A&F shirts recently?