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A Study in Stripes: Regimental and Repp Ties

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by jrd617, Jun 22, 2014.

  1. Evolve

    Evolve Senior member

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    Just to clarify, I was speaking solely about striped ties in the U.S., where, as Academic2 said, they're just seen as another item of apparel these days (with perhaps a few exceptions).



    It's not possible to have hand-rolled edges on a self tipped tie; it must be untipped for rolled edges.
     
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  2. Academic2

    Academic2 Senior member

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    A question for our UK members. How strictly defined is a regimental tie? Is the standard British direction of the stripes (upper left down to lower right) a necessary part of the definition? Would preserving the pattern and colors but changing the orientation to the American direction (upper right down to lower left) mean it was non-regimental, and could therefore be worn by anyone?

    Thanks.

    Cheers,

    Ac
     
  3. Evolve

    Evolve Senior member

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    According to Put This On, yes:

    Traditionally, Englishmen wore these ties with the stripes sloping down from left to right, while Americans went the other direction. The style originated in the early 20th century, when decommissioned British officers continued to wear their regimental colors after they returned to civilian life (hence the name “regimental striped ties”). Anglophiles in the United States imitated the practice, but flipped the direction of the stripes so they wouldn’t be accused of being parvenus.

    Today, the colors and direction of the stripes don’t really matter anymore, as nobody really remembers the origin of these things. The only thing that’s important is that such ties – at least in the United States – are incredible versatile.


    http://putthison.com/post/73426411642/the-foundation-of-a-good-necktie-wardrobe-i-dont
     
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  4. Wrenkin

    Wrenkin Senior member

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    Someone suggested on a previous page that the stripes on the RAF tie run from the upper right to lower left. Here is a photo of Prince Charles wearing one in that style:

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    Looks like what you can buy here.
     
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  5. Ich_Dien

    Ich_Dien Senior member

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    Oh dear, "Put this On". Do we need to put up this with dilettante (PTO) much longer?
     
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  6. Flyswatter

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    Huh? What's wrong with Put This On? Derek Guy, who writes most of the content these days, is a savvy and respected member here. He knows his stuff as far as I'm concerned, and writes informative and well-researched posts for Put This On as well as his other blog, dieworkwear. No need for the elitist attitude.
     
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  7. BlackBrumel

    BlackBrumel Senior member

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    My ties are striped from right to left with no bond with any regiment. They are just ties worn by a person carrying on his own business.
     
  8. Flyswatter

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    Tell this to the old boys in and around St. James's, London, every day. If you're wearing a striped tie, get ready to be asked what institution it is unless it is a well known one (Household Div., Royal Navy, Eton, Harrow, MCC etc.). The gentlemen (of all ages, young or old, retired and serving) in the Cavalry & Guards club, for example, wear theirs religiously and I stick to my College tie when I'm there out of respect and tradition. I would never dream of wearing a tie that I was not entitled to, it's almost a form of fraud.

    Even if you are wearing a striped tie in these areas that has no affiliation, be ready to see a bemused reaction when you explain "I just like the colours" as it doesn't occur to the true gent that he need any other striped tie than his school/college/regiment. Indeed, the American fascination for them, beyond American college colours, always leaves me a little bemused myself...

    :sarcasm:
     
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  9. BlackBrumel

    BlackBrumel Senior member

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    In my days, "true gents" used to carry on their own business and keep their bemusement to themselves.
     
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  10. Flyswatter

    Flyswatter Senior member

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    ^ Yeah... My post was sarcastic. See post #62 in this thread for reference.
     
  11. BlackBrumel

    BlackBrumel Senior member

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    I was aware you were quoting.
     
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  12. jrd617

    jrd617 Senior member

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    If you read that Andy thread I posted a few posts back, it says that some UK regimentals run the "American direction". Depends on the organization

    The general pattern is:

    British //
    American \\​

    But there are some exceptions

    http://www.askandyaboutclothes.com/forum/showthread.php?61358-Which-way-should-Regimental-stripes-go

     
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  13. Academic2

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    I'm still curious about my question regarding the necessity or not of the stripe orientation to the definition of a particular regimental tie. Had Charles's tie stripes been oriented the other way, for example, would it no longer be thought of as an RAF tie?

    Cheers,

    Ac
     
  14. in stitches

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    not just you. 3 colors is the max for me too, and it has to be done right for me to like a 3 color stripe. either a block stripe with just the right width and colors or a ground with a thin spread stripe with maybe a thin border to the thin stripe.

    like these:

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    whereas i do not love this tri color so much:


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  15. Monkeyface

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    These are my striped ties, not including my college tie. Three out of four have three colours. The first three ties are Drakes and T&A, and the pattern goes in the British direction, while the Brooks Brothers tie is striped in the American way, so the stereotypes are confirmed. The navy/burgundy/yellow Drakes tie has virtually identical colours to my college tie, but looks much nicer, so I tend to wear it more often.

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  17. Claghorn

    Claghorn Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    My collection.

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  18. in stitches

    in stitches Senior member Moderator

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    a nice collection. i would buy about 7 of those personally. lots of other nice ones, but not my steez.
     
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  19. sugarbutch

    sugarbutch Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    How many of those do you still like and wear, Clags? I see only four that would work for me.
     
  20. Claghorn

    Claghorn Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    The tan Drakes and navy Dunhill (5th picture, 1st tie) are the only two I no longer wear. I guess same for the Hober (5th, 2nd)
     
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