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A Sam (and David) Hober Tie Appreciation Thread

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by in stitches, May 24, 2011.

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  1. sprout2

    sprout2 Senior member

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    I have to question the love of the unlined seven fold gauze tie on here. Is this an eyes-bigger-than-stomach thing? I have a few unlined seven fold gauze ties and find them woefully insubstantial, even less so than a neckerchief, in terms of having any substance, hold, or anything. It's like wearing a bolo tie. Why the love? Sanity check please.
     
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    in stitches Senior member Moderator

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    any made by hober?

    certainly a grenadine is always gonna be somewhat see through if its unlined, but if the silk is substantial enough, woven well and its folded right, it should be fine. as a matter of fact, on the capelli website, if you chose the 7 fold option on a grenadine, they recommend that it be unlined.

    horses for courses i guess.

    would be nice to hear davids input on this.
     
  3. sprout2

    sprout2 Senior member

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    No...
    As far as Cappelli's suggestions and so forth, I feel this almost probably has more to do with tradition and context than with actual performance. A 7-fold tie is a traditional construction that is by design sustained by its folds, but I don't think it's designed with the fragility of gauze in mind. If they are suggesting unlined, it's more because a "lined 7-fold" tie is an anomaly and a contradiction in terms. Putting my question differently, why would you even go 6- or 7-fold on a gauze tie, and not a regular construction with a better interlining? I don't understand. I have lightly lined six fold ties of regular printed silk in varying weights, 50 oz , 36 oz , and below, and this is my preferred construction. But on a gauze tie it seems like asking for trouble. The ones I tried this on (even with some interlining, mind you) came out like socks. Tell me, how thick of an interlining are you using when you go 6 and 7 fold???
     
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    Cappelli uses different terminology. "unlined" on their website means untipped/rolled edges. By default, he uses an interlining, which he refers to as "padding" (although, you can ask him not to use padding/interlining with a custom order). I had a lengthy/awkward email exchange with Patrizio the one time I placed an order.
     
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    According to the Hober site, they recommend 6 fold with a lining. I'm not sure if they do a 7 fold tie, whatever that is. I would most likely get a 6 fold with a light lining.

    Definitely leaning towards Stiches' suggestion of black fina, untipped with rolled edges.
     
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    in stitches Senior member Moderator

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    i was going to reply in length, but david did a better job than i could have anyways.

    moral of story is, different strokes for different folks, but an unlined grenadine can be just fine. its a finish that i like, others may not. :)


    interesting, thank you for that clarification.


    :slayer: GO FOR IT!!! regarding lining, talk to david and do whatever he says. guaranteed win.
     
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    Per David's excellent description above, I will probs go with unlined 7-fold, untipped, handrolled edges. When that black fina is back in, I'm ordering!!
     
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    in stitches Senior member Moderator

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    :bounce2: :slayer: :bounce2: super happy you going with it! :bounce2: :slayer: :bounce2:

    totally cool to wait, but just so you know, the one in my pic is the,

    "Carbon Black Piccola Grenadine Silk Tie # 6"

    just want to be clear thats all. the navy in my pic is fina though. either weave will be all win all the time.
     
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    Glad you're excited! I don't need it ASAP, so I have no problem waiting a week until the fina comes in.

    I will, of course, post updates of this process.
     
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    I like solid ties and I think Stitches' grenadines look great, but I don't think a solid black one is a good idea for a wedding. Too severe.

    If you don't like any of the classic wedding tie patterns (Glen Plaid, Houndstooth, Shepherd's Check, etc) and want a solid grenadine, I think this one could work nicely with a grey suit and white shirt:

    [​IMG]

    From here.

    Actually, since I haven't found a wedding tie I really like yet, I should probably get that one. Would pair it with a navy suit, though.
     
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    in stitches Senior member Moderator

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    STEP ASIDE KAPLAN! STICHES IDEA IS BEST IDEA!!!


    jk, that is a great tie. but i think that tie with a gray suit and white shirt would be all washed out.
     
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    Thanks David...my first two grenadines were 4 fold lined and I really like the weight and will order the same this time but in charcoal and navy.
     
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    :laugh:

    I agree it would be better with a navy suit, but I think it could work with a grey suit as well (for a grey'ish on grey'ish look that seemed to work, without necessarily being wedding appropriate, see my avatar).

    I still think solid black is a bad idea. (Only for this specific purpose. I like that black grenadine for a lot of other stuff.)

    Just to check that I wasn't totally out of my mind, I looked around a bit and found this:




    etc...

    Personally, I'm not fond of ties that are true silver, which is why I suggested that particualar one that has both silver and charcoal in it.

    Of course, in the end the OP should get what he feels is right for him.

    Good luck :)
     
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    I definitely prefer the silver over the black, though I agree that it would look better with a navy suit than a grey. For grey, I'd go a very dark navy blue for a solid.

    But, my personal fave is a shepherd's check in black and white. It's what I wore to my wedding, after all :)
     
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    Hmm... Thank you all for giving me a lot to think about. Before Stitch suggested the black fina I was leaning for the traditional silver/charcoal fine silk wedding tie. Hober just doesn't have any patterns that really spoke to me.

    Maybe a silver/charcoal grenadine? I do like the one that was suggested.

    I picked up the ring today. Designed it myself, and a friend made it. She's a professional jeweler in the city. Got the ring at cost! No complaints here!
     
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    in stitches Senior member Moderator

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    lol what do those guys know. they stink.

    but srs, if black is no bueno for a wedding, with a gray suit your shepherds check idea is good, or dark navy grenadine.


    good job on the ring!

    see above, i still think black is great, even if against certain standards, if not the above options are good. i just think gray gray white is a snooze fest.
     
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    What does everyone think about this one? Too blue? I wish there was a solid silver one.

    The suit will be dark grey. Think a shade lighter than charcoal.
     
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    in stitches Senior member Moderator

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    maybe i just have something against these ultra light ties. i think dark gray and navy are great, and would be better than these light shades.

    forgive the narcism, here is one i wore. obviously for a weeding you will be wearing a white shirt, which will be fine, but you can get the idea of dark gray and navy grenadine.

    just my 2 cents.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Does this pattern come in a tie?
     
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    that would be awesome.
     

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