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Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Manton, Oct 30, 2009.

  1. Manton

    Manton Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Actually, A&S sewing quality, though excellent, is not up to the sewing quality of all of the high end Italian tailors (including the one and only branch of Campagna-which is in Milan and all four branches of Caraceni-three of which are in Milan and only one of which is in Rome) in the world (regardless of whether they are in Italy or in any country in the world other than Italy).

    Objectively (meaning that it is fact-in this case, entirely so), all Italian custom tailoring is in a class by itself when it comes to every conceivable aspect of quality other than appearance, comfort, drape, fit and shape (which, physically, varies tremendously depending on the person and therefore, is entirely subjective).


    Considering that you base all your posts such as this solely on what you read from people who actually use these tailors (none of whose products you have ever seen with your own eyes, much less worn, as you yourself are first to admit), perhaps you ought to be a bit more circumspect.

    Just a thought.
     
  2. OxxfordSJLINY

    OxxfordSJLINY Senior member

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    Considering that you base all your posts such as this solely on what you read from people who actually use these tailors (none of whose products you have ever seen with your own eyes, much less worn, as you yourself are first to admit), perhaps you ought to be a bit more circumspect.

    Just a thought.


    There is nothing wrong with trusting other people’s judgment when the sources are reliable (especially if I will never have the means-in too many ways to specify-to see in person or wear such phenomenal clothing myself).
     
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  3. Cary Grant

    Cary Grant Senior member

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    Thks for this threak, Manton.

    While I have ordered nothing with them, I spent a few hours there on two trips this summer getting to know them.

    I have -nothing- from my own experience to base my impressions on other than examinations of other houses on the row. I like what I saw, the experience while there and came away confident (but without experience perhaps I'd better say naively hopeful?) that they could do what I want.
     
  4. Manton

    Manton Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    There is nothing wrong with trusting other people's judgment when the sources are reliable (especially if I will never have the means-in too many ways to specify-to see in person or wear such phenomenal clothing myself).

    When you say "Objectively (meaning that it is fact-in this case, entirely so), all Italian custom tailoring is in a class by itself when it comes to every conceivable aspect of quality" you are not trusting the judgement of others, because no one says or believes that. It is also incidentally not true.

    If you want my opinion, it is that, on average, Italian sewing in high end tailoring is better than English sewing, and the best Italian makers are better than the best Brits, but one cannot universalize that into a rule that applies to all cases. I have seen some sloppy Italian work, and some excellent English work.
     
  5. aportnoy

    aportnoy Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    There is nothing wrong with trusting other people's judgment when the sources are reliable (especially if I will never have the means-in too many ways to specify-to see in person or wear such phenomenal clothing myself).

    This is like saying that a dish at a certain restaurant or the performance and handling of a certain car is the best in the world without having experienced it yourself. It just doesn't wash.
     
  6. jon5986

    jon5986 Senior member

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    I have never had a problem with A&S. Their product is great and I am always very happy with it.

    John Hitchcock is a true professional.
     
  7. JibranK

    JibranK Senior member

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    Actually, A&S sewing quality, though excellent, is not up to the sewing quality of all of the high end Italian tailors (including the one and only branch of Campagna-which is in Milan and all four branches of Caraceni-three of which are in Milan and only one of which is in Rome) in the world (regardless of whether they are in Italy or in any country in the world other than Italy).

    Objectively (meaning that it is fact-in this case, entirely so), all Italian custom tailoring is in a class by itself, when it comes to every conceivable aspect of quality other than appearance, comfort, drape, fit and shape (which, physically, varies tremendously depending on the person and therefore, is entirely subjective).

    I mean no offence by this, Audi/Oxxford, but your constant posts of inorganic categorising/grading of bespoke houses are really beginning to grate on me.
     
  8. Connemara

    Connemara Senior member

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    Can't wait to see pics. Which fabric?​
     
  9. Cary Grant

    Cary Grant Senior member

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    inorganic

    Inorganic?
     
  10. Ataturk

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    Every time someone recommends A&S I think of that poor guy from the london lounge who posted the "three tailors mystery thread" or whatever it was called a while back. It was not my favorite to say the least.
     
  11. OxxfordSJLINY

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    I mean no offence by this, Audi/Oxxford, but your constant posts of inorganic categorising/grading of bespoke houses are really beginning to grate on me.

    THEN SIMPLY IGNORE THEM, GOD DAMN IT!!!!! [​IMG]
     
  12. JibranK

    JibranK Senior member

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    Inorganic?
    makes listings of the percentages of stitching and such for firms.
     
  13. JibranK

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    THEN SIMPLY IGNORE THEM, GOD DAMN IT!!!!! [​IMG]

    THEREFORE, MIND YOUR OWN GOD DAMN BUSINESS, GOD DAMN IT!!!!! [​IMG]

    I said 'no offence intended' - I was referring to the posts, not you.
     
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    OxxfordSJLINY Senior member

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    I said 'no offence intended' - I was referring to the posts, not you.

    Message edited.
     
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    RJman Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Folks, I suggest we return to the original topic of this threak and not indulge certain members' pathologies.

    It does seem to me -- from personal experience -- that A&S are combating (successfully) the reputations for intractability, unapproachability and haphazardness which had swirled around them. John Hitchcock was extremely open to suggestions (except the idea of a cran Necker, that got shot down fast) and made certain alterations to my suit right in front of me. Further, he and Mr Heywood are downright boosterish about A&S now and about what sets A&S apart from other tailors. Some of it is perhaps puffery, but they appear to be working in good faith to make a good suit with a good fit.
     
  16. crazyquik

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    For the most part, the haters haven't been anywhere near the actual product, let alone commissioned it.

    [​IMG]


    Interested as to whether it is a sport coat, or a 3 piece suit, or something in between.
     
  17. Manton

    Manton Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Can't wait to see pics. Which fabric?​


    Shetland gun club.
     
  18. Parker

    Parker Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Manton, is this BlazerSuit Part Four: Double Breasted?

    edit: nevermind. just saw above post.
     
  19. voxsartoria

    voxsartoria Senior member

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    Shetland gun club.

    Does this now make five or six tailors who have done draped jackets for you?

    It would be interesting if you would compare and contrast among them, and name the ones or one that you prefer.


    - B
     
  20. LaoHu

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    Does this now make five or six tailors who have done draped jackets for you?

    It would be interesting if you would compare and contrast among them, and name the ones or one that you prefer.


    - B


    Yes, please, it would be much appreciated.
     

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