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a quick question for young professionals/ aspiring professionals

Discussion in 'Business, Careers & Education' started by fossil8412, Jul 14, 2010.

  1. fossil8412

    fossil8412 Member

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    Curious, for those of you who are young and have established yourself pretty well, how did you get your first job? Application? Referral? Connection-- i.e. friend in the company, daddy dollar's business, etc.? Did that lead you down your career path, or did you leverage something from it? Thanks.
     
  2. Blackhood

    Blackhood Senior member

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    All the jobs I've ever had have been as a result of tenuous familial connections paired with a CV/ Interview Manner that makes employers mess their pants.

    Your best bet is to call in every favour you've ever been owed, and make sure you follow it up with every possible ounce of research. As an example I ensure that I know the the stock price, names of Directors, notable clients, and their development plans for the future.

    Once the interviewer knows how interested you are in the company and a role you could play within it any hint of nepotism should be forgotten. By him at least, the rest of the staff will hate you for ever.
     
  3. intent

    intent Senior member

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    Everyone's called a "professional" nowadays.
     
  4. Blackhood

    Blackhood Senior member

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    Everyone's called a "professional" nowadays.

    Does that have to do with the fact that if you don't get paid for your job you're strictly an amateur?
     
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  6. fossil8412

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    All the jobs I've ever had have been as a result of tenuous familial connections paired with a CV/ Interview Manner that makes employers mess their pants.

    Your best bet is to call in every favour you've ever been owed, and make sure you follow it up with every possible ounce of research. As an example I ensure that I know the the stock price, names of Directors, notable clients, and their development plans for the future.

    Once the interviewer knows how interested you are in the company and a role you could play within it any hint of nepotism should be forgotten. By him at least, the rest of the staff will hate you for ever.


    Basically, then, be the total package. Enlightening.
     
  7. Blackhood

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    I can't tell if that was sarcastic or not :/

    Being better than the other candidates is in fact a sure fire way to get a job. What people don't grasp is that being better than everyone else is an easily achievable goal.
     
  8. fossil8412

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    I can't tell if that was sarcastic or not :/

    Being better than the other candidates is in fact a sure fire way to get a job. What people don't grasp is that being better than everyone else is an easily achievable goal.


    Yes, it was sarcastic. I guess it depends on who you're competing with and where your interests lie. Generally though, I was just inquiring about how most people land jobs.
     
  9. Aaron

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    Yes, it was sarcastic. I guess it depends on who you're competing with and where your interests lie. Generally though, I was just inquiring about how most people land jobs.
    Blackhood's advice is spot-on. It doesn't take a huge amount of effort to stand out. You only need to do 20-30 min of research to find out the things he's suggesting. Practice answering interview questions with your parents or friends and you're good to go. All the jobs I've ever had have been through volunteer positions that turned into jobs, tenuous family connections and then once I established myself, my network of contacts.
     
  10. Usul

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    All the jobs I've ever had have been as a result of tenuous familial connections paired with a CV/ Interview Manner that makes employers mess their pants.

    Your best bet is to call in every favour you've ever been owed, and make sure you follow it up with every possible ounce of research. As an example I ensure that I know the the stock price, names of Directors, notable clients, and their development plans for the future.

    Once the interviewer knows how interested you are in the company and a role you could play within it any hint of nepotism should be forgotten. By him at least, the rest of the staff will hate you for ever.


    Are you still working in a clothing store?
     
  11. Blackhood

    Blackhood Senior member

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    I am, as well as an accountancy firm. I appreciate those aren't great jobs but I am studying full time at the moment.

    Before I went back to university I secured a full sponsorship for a commercial pilots licence (application to position ratio of 136:1) and when I had to drop out because of health issues I got a job as a personal art advisor with the largest fine art publisher in the country.

    I also finished school with just 2 A-Levels; I may not currently be in a position of power, but I know a little something about getting jobs that are well above my station.
     
  12. highball

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    I would say your approach should depend partially on which industry you're targeting. In some fields you can get in the door mostly just by leveraging connections and meeting the basic requirements. If you're applying to a very competitive industry however, you must be the aforementioned "whole package" I.e. connections, interview well, interested in and knowledgeable about the company/industry, great CV, and exceed their expectations in terms of skills and qualifications.

    I would also add this: never disregard an opportunity no matter how uninteresting it sounds at first. And always do your best to create opportunity regardless whether or not you are currently looking for a job.

    I'll use my situation as an example. I graduated college 3 years ago and up until a week before graduation I had not yet gotten a job offer I was happy with. On a whim I responded to an email that was sent out to our department seeking resumes. The job description did not sound particularly interesting at first and was in a very niche sector. But I interviewed anyway and found out that I would end up being a consultant to a very well respected firm and there was a lot of potential for growth. I took the job and since then have been given way more responsibility than I expected. I also engaged myself in the industry outside of my daily work and have focused on growing my rolodex as much as possible and developing a personal "brand".

    A few months ago the consulting gig ended and I was offered a position with one of the firms that I worked as a consultant for, and at a much more senior level than if i had followed a more traditional career path in the industry. Even if that hadn't materialized I now have a number of contacts in the industry that I have made through my own networking, many of whom have stated they will be calling me whenever their firms begin hiring again.
     
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    a CV/ Interview Manner that makes employers mess their pants.

    Care to share? Any elaboration would be appreciated =)
     
  14. GQgeek

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    Care to share? Any elaboration would be appreciated =)

    I didn't exactly do a lot of interviewing because i landed a job almost immediately after moving, but I wasn't afraid to take charge of the interviews I did. Don't just wait till the end when they ask if you have any questions. It's ok to interrupt if you have intelligent questions that can lead to a more interesting conversation.

    To give an actual example, I'm a tech field, so when they started talking and describing the environment and some of the issues, i showed no hesitation in telling them how i thought things should be done, even though they didn't ask me (this was for the job i got). It probably depends on the actual interviewer, but I think a lot of people are probably too timid in interviews.
     
  15. Matt

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    Curious, for those of you who are young and have established yourself pretty well, how did you get your first job? Application? Referral? Connection-- i.e. friend in the company, daddy dollar's business, etc.? Did that lead you down your career path, or did you leverage something from it? Thanks.
    am I over-reading this as bitterness? if so, get over it, if not, my apologies. in my case, I had to hustle. I knew I wanted to work in PR. I come from a smallish city on Australia's south coast. There were two professional bodies in PR in that city (basically the national institute and another society for young professionals in the field). In my final year of studies, me and the girl I was kinda sorta seeing at the time used to march along to all of their events to meet the industry. Most of the time, we just stood there like little lost kids, didn't know what to say, what was being talked about, anything, but it wasn't until much later that I started to see myself through their eyes...Megan and I were THE ONLY college kids who took the time to be out and among the industry, they all knew how awkward it must have felt for us, as they themselves have all been in the same place in their younger years. As awkward as we may have felt, everyone in that room appreciated our initiative. In the end, a series of events transpired where I was offered a role in a different city, but the connections I had made back home led to that all unfolding the way that it did... So no...nothing handed to me...no trust fund...no daddy-used-to-know scenarios...I just had to get out there and make it happen for myself.
     
  16. leftover_salmon

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    Curious, for those of you who are young and have established yourself pretty well, how did you get your first job? Application? Referral? Connection-- i.e. friend in the company, daddy dollar's business, etc.? Did that lead you down your career path, or did you leverage something from it? Thanks.
    Lots of effort and some dumb luck -- as a sophomore, I emailed dozens of people in the industry in which I was interested, and one happened to have an opening in his group because an employee had just quit. I got hired for the summer, asked back for the next, and then was offered a full-time job.
     
  17. unjung

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    First (crappy) job by applying to 80 jobs. Second by getting brought in by a friend.
     
  18. Milpool

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    I took a somewhat dangerous internship as an undergrad. It sounded interesting when I applied, but I never thought I would even get interviewed due to the requirements.

    It led to a full time offer. Now that I'm in the field, I have good connections due to the small size of the field. I can call up former coworkers / managers, and they'll get on the phone and find out everyone hiring within no time at all. The downside, we also know within about 48 hours when one of us starts looking for a new job.

    I've tried to feel out opportunities outside my industry every now and then, and it has never gone well at all. It is rare I get interviews, and when I do, I get the impression it is solely because of my education credentials (top schools for undergrad and MBA) and that they really don't understand what it is I do / have done based on my resume (and I cut the jargon out extensively / dumb it down A LOT). Once they talk to me about the work I do / have done, they shy away rather quickly it seems.
     
  19. Peak and Pine

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    Don't overlook lying to get a foot in the door if you feel you really can do the job once you're past the interview.

    Make sure you can hang on for at least six months before they catch on. Then when they blow you out you can be upfront with your next interview in the same field: I lied to get my previous job because I'd never done it before but knew I could and did and did a good job as anyone at the other place will tell you except they don't like you lying to get in there so now that I've got the experience and track record I don't have to lie about it with you. But can you trust me to be honest in the future? Well I'm telling you all this aren't I?

    Or something like that.
     
  20. Laffertron

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    Don't overlook lying to get a foot in the door if you feel you really can do the job once you're past the interview. Make sure you can hang on for at least six months before they catch on. Then when they blow you out you can be upfront with your next interview in the same field: I lied to get my previous job because I'd never done it before but knew I could and did and did a good job as anyone at the other place will tell you except they don't like you lying to get in there so now that I've got the experience and track record I don't have to lie about it with you. But can you trust me to be honest in the future? Well I'm telling you all this aren't I? Or something like that.
    I can see how this might work because you've got to back yourself, but I would really hesitate against using it myself (although my industry is quite close-knit in my city and your reputation is your biggest asset to succeed at work and also to get hired). Personally it's too risky but sitting around isn't going to get you the dream job either. If I were to use that method I probably wouldn't bring it up at all in an interview. If you were using this tactic it would be better to go in with the aim to succeed, not work there for 6 months and quit. To add, look for recruitment resources. These have questions to ask, what answers are good, and what answers are red flags. Example is the Sales Executive Council guide for recruiting Challenger sales people.
     

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