My only suggestion would be to not publicize the punishment of minor transgressions. I think horton has a very valid point. As one who has spent a great deal of my adult life counseling "troubled" organizations, I can say without reservation that once a body starts bickering about its rules, it is not long for this world. I was astonished once when working with a church to hear them arguing about minute little aspects of their by-laws. This little skirmishes ate up all the parishoners' time and talent, and the real objective of the church was left behind. I choose the church example with great care, because I think we here at StyleForum are a congregation of sorts: we come from many walks of life, and are united by a fairly singular love or, at very least interest, in style. We are all part of one body. And that body, sadly, has become overtly hostile, picking at scabs and slinging ungentlemanly barbs about with increasing frequency. I asked one of the moderators in a PM if it is just me, or does this place feel more militant since the "crash"? I think since we all returned home from our temporary digs at AAAC that we've lost a lot of the respect and (dare I say) love for one another. It seems to me that a forum such as this will always have its boors and its trolls. There will be bannings and time-outs. There are in real life, so why should I expect it to be any different here? But I think the talk of such, as horton suggests, might be better left in the secret squirrel department. Keep it between the mods in their private little lair. To that end, j, I respectfully suggest the transparent mods thread be taken off the "for public consumption" level and into the back rooms. I don't want to be regarded as some odd offspring of the coupling of Rodney King and Pollyanna, but we all came here to talk and share and learn about style (and some sports and booze and chicks and cars, etc.). Can't we all put these largely childish digressions to rest and get back to what we love? and now back to your regularly-scheduled programming.