Thanks for the reply Drizzt. Just measured myself and I came out as W31. The thing is, I always buy jeans W30 and most of them I now cannot wear without a belt (they fall off from all the extra room). Am I doing something wrong in measuring, or did they all just stretch out like hell? I'm measuring exactly where I want my jeans to fit on the hip, not the waist, and I don't have any layers on to make the measurment innacurate (only fairly thing boxers). Jeans are often vanity sized, so they are actually bigger than what their waist size is. This is the case with the APCs, which are more than 2" bigger in the waist than they should be. Jeans also stretch, which APCs do an immense amount as well. Non-APC jeans will also stretch, but not as much. I would go with the 28, personally. Even if it is tight to start out with, it will stretch a ton. I think it will probably fit fairly well right out of the box, though. APCs will shrink a bit if you soak them but you don't have to because they're sanforized. I would hem them so that you have 2-3" of extra material to be safe from shrinkage and to have a little stacking.