yeah if I ever buy apcs again, i'm pretty much gonna have a hellish first month. i bought 28 having a real 29.5/30 inch waist and I like jeans that stay in place. mine got to about 32. i wore 'em with suspenders. i guess i shoulda gone down to 26 so they'd stretch to just larger than my waist size. it's a fight i shouldn't have to have. i...don't think i'm buying apcs again, based on the whole stretch problem.