500 Greatest Albums

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  1. bachbeet

    bachbeet Senior member

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    This list was posted in another thread. And that thread has strayed from its theme. http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/_/id/5938174 I was never one who liked Pet Sounds all that much. In fact, not that big a fan of the Beach Boys. When I first heard the Beatles, I thought the Beach Boys had just been left in the dust. And, even early on, the Beatles were using all sorts of things in their music that rock had not really seen. Such as, key changes (If I Fell). So, I would not place Pet Sounds so high. Definitely not above Highway 61. Not even above London Calling. Not, for that matter above any of the other top 12. Especially Kind of Blue. I guess it's as low as it is because it's really a jazz album. As for the Beatles, I like all those in the top, but I'd put Revolver and Rubber Soul above Pepper. That's my 2 cents. I would really love to hear your opinions.
     
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    One more comment. Dark Side of the Moon definitely should be higher than 43. How can an album that holds the all time record for making the Billboard charts (something like 30 straigth years.) be only 43rd?.
     
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    and . . .

    Dude, Pet Sounds is a great LP. Nevermind should not be in the top 100. Rumours should be higher.
     
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    countdemoney: I guess we just disagree about Pet Sounds. Also about Nevermind and Rumours. Fleetwood Mac's Then Play On is better than Rumours. though I do like Rumours a lot. In fact, I like and own a lot of the Mac's stuff.

    Trivia - Black Magic Woman was on the Mac's 1967 (?) album English Rose. Santana took it and made it a huge hit and really a different song. Much the same way Hendrix did with Watchtower. Two examples of genius adding to genius.
     
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    Another comment re: Sinatra. Never have been a fan. Love Tony Bennett. Much more talented. He sings circles around Frank.
     
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    The RS 500 Greatest Albums of All Time

    (1-20)

    1. Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, The Beatles
    2. Pet Sounds, The Beach Boys
    3. Revolver, The Beatles
    4. Highway 61 Revisited, Bob Dylan
    5. Rubber Soul, The Beatles
    6. What's Going On, Marvin Gaye
    7. Exile on Main Street, The Rolling Stones
    8. London Calling, The Clash
    9. Blonde on Blonde, Bob Dylan
    10. The Beatles ("The White Album"), The Beatles
    11. The Sun Sessions, Elvis Presley
    12. Kind of Blue, Miles Davis
    13. Velvet Underground and Nico, The Velvet Underground
    14. Abbey Road, The Beatles
    15. Are You Experienced?, The Jimi Hendrix Experience
    16. Blood on the Tracks, Bob Dylan
    17. Nevermind, Nirvana
    18. Born to Run, Bruce Springsteen
    19. Astral Weeks, Van Morrison
    20. Thriller, Michael Jackson - # 1 new hit in the local prison in California

    White album should be in top 5, as well as, and believe it or not I agree, Dark Side of the Moon, but also Hotel California, this list is bulls**t....who voted, a bunch of teenagers, they do not even know what music is, very little music today will be as great as the 60's and 70's turned out to be, with a few from the 80's like U2, why are they not in the top 20, Joshuas Tree, great album, or even Zoorpa....sorry this list sux....and they never even mentioned Alice's Restaurant....what a shame.
    And by the way, what happened to any of the great female artisits, Joan Baez, Janis, and many others, sounds like a list from a bunch of, should I dare, MALE CHAUV........
     
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    nightowl: Actually, Joni Mitchell's Blue made the top 30. And, I really don't think any of the female artists you mentioned really put out any albums worthy of the top 100. I haven't looked at the rest of the list. And, I disagree about Alice's Restaurant. Not all that great an album.

    I thought your comment about Thriller was very funny. My thoughts were more mundane - that it didn't deserve such a high placement. Certainly not higher than Dark Side or Joshua Tree. And, to continue my criticism of Pet Sounds, I think Born To Run is a better album.

    And, part of my low opinion of the Beach Boys in general comes from hearing what a recording engineer who participated in some of their sessions once told me -- they CAN'T sing. He said the engineers worked wonders for them.

    In any event, I do think Pet Sounds deserves placement up there somewhere. Certainly higher than Sinatra.
     
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    Well I agree with most of what you said, the Alice's Restaurant was a bit of a joke, yet I do believe that Arlo does not get the credit for being a very creative artisit that he deserves. His music actually is very representative of the times, and actually depicts life of the 60's in a comical expression, for most, who did not live the times, and think they are bringing some of that nostalgia back do not understand it yet.
    As to Joshua, one if not the greatest rock albums ever released, it set records for sales in the first 6 moths of release that to this day have not been met.
    And the age factor must be showing if you do not believe that the women, in particular, Baez and Joplin, did not make a contribution worthy of the top 100....Joplin, until her untimely death due to what else, was considered one of the most creative vocalist among women of the era. Though you may not like her style, she established that women could bring a throaty deep blues tone to the rock world presented in a rusty way.
    And missing too, are Hendrix, whos' music today still sets fires among a truly musical time. Not to mention The Doors, who without Morrison, would never have been able to achieve the notability they gained.
    IMO, the list as I said, is BS....but it does represent more than anything a truly more creative essence of music from a time that music was changing from a pioneering standpoint, unlike todays trash.
     
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    Nevermind above Born to Run?

    Achtung Baby in the top 100?

    Sorry, guys, IMO Wish you Were Here is better than Dark Side of the Moon. But both should be in top 30...

    As a high school grad in the mid 70s (gasp) my list would be scewed (SP?) toward music of that era. I have found this to be true with almost any one, at least concerning popular music.

    And it's an incendiary topic- like religion and politics.
     
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    nightowl: I never said those women weren't great. I was alive then. Just don't think they deserved placement in the top 100. Not even Janis. Her albums, as a whole, weren't deserving of a top 100. Although I liked her more than Sinatra. As for Hendrix, he had several (at least 2) in the top 100. If you read my posts re: the greatest songs list, you'd know that I have a high regard for Jimi and think his version of Watchtower is genius.

    Steve B: We definitely disagree about Wish you Were Here being better than Dark Side. But Dark Side should definitely be higher than 43. I also liked Born to Run more than Nevermind. Though when you have a list of 500 and one is only one higher, it means there isn't a whole lot of difference between them.

    Incendiary? I wouldn't choose that extreme a word. NOr does it compare to politics and religion. It's a topic over which reasonable people can differ with strong opinions either way. And, that's perfectly fine with me.
     
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    I was not debating top 100, I was debating the list of top 20 IMO, and who, to me, might deserved better recognition than those appearing, but music opinions are like as***les, everyone has one, and everyone uses theirs. Sinatra I do not believe should be in the 100, nor do I believe Dylan has as much greatness to carry 2 top hit albums, and to put Revolver above Abbey Road or The White Album is stretching it, wouldn't you agree?
     
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    nightowl wrote: "I was not debating top 100, I was debating the list of top 20 IMO, and who, to me, might deserved better recognition than those appearing, but music opinions are like as***les, everyone has one, and everyone uses theirs. Sinatra I do not believe should be in the 100, nor do I believe Dylan has as much greatness to carry 2 top hit albums, and to put Revolver above Abbey Road or The White Album is stretching it, wouldn't you agree?"

    I agree about Sinatra. Especially when Bennett isn't there.

    Disagree about Dylan. Truly great artist who changed Rock forever. Before him, the extent of the lyrics were "doo wop wop" and the like. A line like "My love is true like ice, like fire" blows all of that away.

    As for Revolver, I already said I thought it was better than Pepper, so you already know where I stand there. Never was that big a fan of Abbey Road. Probably because I preferred Lennon to Paul and Paul dominated that one.
     
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    See, there is a great debate, I was more of a Paul fan than a John fan, but really, through the lyrics and the music, my fav was George....so I am screwed up.
     
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    nightowl wrote: "See, there is a great debate, I was more of a Paul fan than a John fan, but really, through the lyrics and the music, my fav was George....so I am screwed up."

    Well, I still thought Paul was very talented. As I said in the thread about the songs, the Beatles used key changes (.) early on. IN A ROCK SONG. The song was If I Fell. And, Paul wrote it. And, of course, the greatness of Yesterday is beyond dispute. I read where it is the most covered song. And, Lennon did concede that in his tirade against Paul - How Do You Sleep At Night (undeserved tirade but still a great song and understandable considering all they went through; very similar to what happens in some divorces). And, an example of my preference for John is reflected in Abbey Road. I think the best song on the album is Come Together, Lennon's. And on Revolver -- Tomorrow Never Knows, Lennon's.

    And George was great also. While My Guitar Gently Weeps is terrific. Probably the least talented was Ringo, yet he was no slouch. So, you are definitely not screwed up. In fact, I've grown to respect your opinions while discussing this topic. Thanks.
     
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    There are some great albums in the next 100:

    101 - Fresh Cream
    102 - Giant Steps
    108 - Aftermath (BTW, this and Beggar's Banquet are both better than Pet Sounds)
    111. Court and Spark, Joni Mitchell

    112. Disraeli Gears, Cream
    115 - Layla
    117 - Sweetheart of the Rodeo (excellent album)
    123 - Catch a Fire, Marley
    131 - Saturday Night Fever (?.) (WTF?.)
    145 - Aja (that much lower than Fever?. WTF?.)
    169 - Exodus (should definitely be higher; and, again, WTF?.)
    174 - Desire (higher, WTF?.)
    188 - Buffalo Springfield Again (higher; WTF?.)
    195 - Bluesbreakers (Ditto)
    197 - Murmur (Ditto)

    As you may have figured, I am NOT a big Bee Gees fan. There first album (with To Love Somebody, etc) was pretty good and the rest are forgettable.
     

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