45 RPM...the best?

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  1. digital_denim

    digital_denim Big Lose

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    I'd even say at the US pricepoint they're good value. I'd much rather spend $348 for a pair of nandoXnando then spend $265 for a pair of RRDS nudies. Ever since nudie jacked their prices, I cannot fathom spending that much money for a pair of nudies every again. At the former price of $165, they were a steal, but $265? I'd never suggest anyone spending $265 on a pair of jeans to buy nudies. What's the price of 5EP's?

    Are the NandoxNando 348 from Japan or is that the NYC price?
     


  2. denimdestroyedmylife

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    that's the NYC price

    iirc, they are about $225 in jp
     


  3. calatrava

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    i agree with the points that have been made. i own a pair of suminados and 5ep straight resin. they are pretty comparable in terms of quality, but i like the hardware on the 5ep better, as it is noticeable denser than the ones on the 45rpm. but i also like the little details on the suminados, such as the r on the backpocket. its so unobtrusive but works fits in nicely
     


  4. poly800rock

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    that's the NYC price

    iirc, they are about $225 in jp


    They're actually closer to $200 w/o fees/shipping from japan. at that price, it's hard to beat. one thing partytaco mentioned on the of SF was that the sohkiro's have one of their back belt loops natural indigo and the rest synthetic. So when you're done beating your sohkiro's down and they're all faded, you have one belt look that's surprisingly stubborn and held it's indigo. Might be considered extraneous, but an interesting touch, almost like they're mocking you as you stand there proud from fading a pair of 45rpm's, but a signal from 45rpm to you, that a bigger more expensive challenge awaits, the Jomon's.
     


  5. denimdestroyedmylife

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    really?

    which loop? i imagine it must be the offset loop.

    or do you have to wait for the fade to tell???

    very interesting, poly.
     


  6. poly800rock

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    really?

    which loop? i imagine it must be the offset loop.

    or do you have to wait for the fade to tell???

    very interesting, poly.



    here is an interesting Sorahiko fact I learned a few weeks ago...the rear belt loop on most indigo Sorahikos is borrowed from the Jomon which means it's hand dipped natural plant indigo and the slubbier denim. This was pointed out to me on a pair of old and totally faded IDG Sorahikos where all the belt loops sans the rear center one were completely faded.

    ...
     


  7. soultek

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    i agree with the points that have been made. i own a pair of suminados and 5ep straight resin. they are pretty comparable in terms of quality, but i like the hardware on the 5ep better, as it is noticeable denser than the ones on the 45rpm. but i also like the little details on the suminados, such as the r on the backpocket. its so unobtrusive but works fits in nicely


    FYI, that's because the 5EP hardware is brass.

    I +1 all the positive comments on 5EPs. Amazing in every respect. I love my pair which I've had for a couple years a least. I've handled 45rpm, but don't think I'll be able to compare until I get a pair (which should be happening in a few weeks). I think it's hard to judge/compare denim until you've lived in them for a while.

    On a side note, why won't 45rpm bring back the BC4000's? I kick myself for not getting those when I had the chance.
     


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    this may have been answered before, but what is the fit on the nandoxnandos? similar to jomons?
     


  9. Fuuma

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    I think that $265 is exorbitant for Nudies, but at the price you can ge tthem from from Denim Bar (198), they are not a bad deal, about the same as the European price (outsided of Scandanavia), especiallt with the low dollar.

    5EPs retail about $250 for the raw, and up to $300 for the dark worn, depending on the retailer. I'd say that even at this price, they are a better buy than the US price for R jeans.


    5EP: American jeans just don't get the love that they deserve on these boards...

    That being said I love the deep blue highlights of my Jomons and since I can only wear one pair at a time (maybe I could try wearing diors underneath baggy bjorns ) and have a relatively limited number of jeans compared to many of our esteemed members, it's not really about what's the better deal but what I want to wear. I must say I went back and forth a lot between Sorahikos slim raws, Jomons and SD-103 before settling on the Jomons.
     


  10. savage

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    5EP: American jeans just don't get the love that they deserve on these boards...

    So, what are the BEST American jeans?!?! 5ep or Rag & Bone.. or something else??
     


  11. LA Guy

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    So, what are the BEST American jeans?!?! 5ep or Rag & Bone.. or something else??

    Hmmm... that's an interesting question, and you'll get a different answer depending on your criterion, I suppose. I think that 5EP is definitely one of the best companies in terms of denim, construction and trims. However, there are only three fits, that I know of, and none of these fits is a "universal" fit that is flattering on most guys. I suppose that the low down bootcut comes closest. If you are looking for jeans company with solid construction, distinctive detailing, and a range of fits for different styles and body types, I would say that Rag&Bone is a good bet. You can dress them up, or dress them down. But the denim used, while nice, is not as complex as that used by 5EP, nor are the trims as nice. Kicking Mule Workshop makes very nice jeans. I would say that the 1980 cut fits a variety of bodies very well, and at $225 retail, they are possibly a better buy (for a retailer) than 5EP. Although, imo, the denim is not as nice, nor is the construction, the fit is going to flatter more body types than 5EP jeans, and, perhaos most importantly, the price is more comfortable for most customers. In terms of "all the widgets you can find", SPURR jeans beats all these companies, and uses very distinctive, super dark, purple cast denim to boot. However, at $325 retail, they are not worth it, imho. There was a lot of talk about "Jean Shop." I find the denim decent, but hardly worth the $220+ prices charged. KMW is a much better buy at the same price.
     


  12. GWHiZiTSPHiL

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    how about Red Ear? I heard a while back that they're made in the same factory as 45RPM and that has to do with the way it's constructed or something.
     


  13. denimdestroyedmylife

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    there's some controversy about whether red ear jeans are REALLY made in japan i find it unlikely that there's a 45rpm/red ear connection
     


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    I honestly think there's some kind of misconception about American jeans vs. Japanese jeans, in that people automatically assume some sort of authoritative higher ground on the Japanese. That said, 45rpm jeans are really nice, but the best? I don't personally think so. I think Pure Blue Japan and Warehouse Duck Diggers are better products than 45rpm, although admittedly they are a bit of a different style than Rs, and the construction quality is a tad lower.

    It's cool that 45rpm runs their own factory, their own laundry, they do their dying themselves, etc., but the same applies to Johnbull, who also offer a great denim but nothing spectacular.

    Between all of those, I still believe that 5EP are 'better' or at least 'as good' as the others. I use quotes because once you're at the level of quality in these denim companies, what makes one thing better than another is purely subjective. The hardware and construction on 5EP jeans is truly in a different world than most normal jeans, and I would rate the workmanship, and especially the hardware as being better quality than 45rpm. These suckers have only lost *ONE* single stitch in the year that I've been wearing them, and the metal prongs in my wallet are just now starting to fray the denim. Tough as nails. The denim on the 5EPs isn't as special as the Duck Diggers nor the Pure Blues, but the construction quality and comfort of both those are, IMO, lacking, especially at the premium price point.

    Also, remember that 5EP jeans are made in Japan, Rag&Bone are made in the USA, mostly from Japanese denim. There's something special about all of the jeans and if you asked me which is best, I couldn't pick one out. They're just different, and all of them are worth their price.

    Kohzo jeans are serious business, no doubt, but unfortunately a bit unwearable, at least for me. Something I admire but would be doubtful about ever investing.
     


  15. poly800rock

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    I honestly think there's some kind of misconception about American jeans vs. Japanese jeans, in that people automatically assume some sort of authoritative higher ground on the Japanese. That said, 45rpm jeans are really nice, but the best? I don't personally think so. I think Pure Blue Japan and Warehouse Duck Diggers are better products than 45rpm, although admittedly they are a bit of a different style than Rs, and the construction quality is a tad lower.

    It's cool that 45rpm runs their own factory, their own laundry, they do their dying themselves, etc., but the same applies to Johnbull, who also offer a great denim but nothing spectacular.

    Between all of those, I still believe that 5EP are 'better' or at least 'as good' as the others. I use quotes because once you're at the level of quality in these denim companies, what makes one thing better than another is purely subjective. The hardware and construction on 5EP jeans is truly in a different world than most normal jeans, and I would rate the workmanship, and especially the hardware as being better quality than 45rpm. These suckers have only lost *ONE* single stitch in the year that I've been wearing them, and the metal prongs in my wallet are just now starting to fray the denim. Tough as nails. The denim on the 5EPs isn't as special as the Duck Diggers nor the Pure Blues, but the construction quality and comfort of both those are, IMO, lacking, especially at the premium price point.

    Also, remember that 5EP jeans are made in Japan, Rag&Bone are made in the USA, mostly from Japanese denim. There's something special about all of the jeans and if you asked me which is best, I couldn't pick one out. They're just different, and all of them are worth their price.

    Kohzo jeans are serious business, no doubt, but unfortunately a bit unwearable, at least for me. Something I admire but would be doubtful about ever investing.



    losing stitching isn't necessarily a quality control issue. samurai and most other japanese repro companies are designed to wear. I say samurai in particular cuz it's what they're known for. keeping true the the "heart" of reproduction, most japanese companies use 100% cotton thread which rips/breaks much easier than the modern poly/cotton blend thread that is commonplace nowadays. With that said, the biggest selling point to me for Levi's, Rag & Bone, and other american companies, is that they're (were) made in america. I stopped buying levi's when the shipped their factories abroad, and bought the rag and bone 15's from you brian, solely on the fact that they're handmade in NC. Find me a company that provides good quality american made goods, and you've sold me. hands down.
     


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