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38L full canvas suit in NYC for moderate $?

gabedamien

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Hi all,

Long time lurker, first time poster. I have a challenge for you style gurus out there; I'd like to replace my (baggy, 1999-era, boxy, pleated) 40L Hickey Freeman suit with something that, you know, FITS and looks a bit more continental. Unfortunately I am a size 38L, which as you can guess just makes RTW salespeople laugh. Specifically, I am 26 years old, 6'2.5" and 140 lbs, no joke. The "middle-aged American banker special" just looks silly on me.

I recently tried on a Canali 38R jacket and loved the chest, arm width, waist supression, lapel shape, shoulder style, drape, etc. Also saw some Corneliani suits that seemed nice. But of course the (R) meant that the jacket was slightly too short, the sleeves were *definitely* too short, and the pockets were a touch high. Probably other difficulties my untrained eye couldn't detect as well.

By contrast, you might think a 40L with some tailoring would do the trick. No dice. The jacket immediately went from looking like it was made for me, to looking like a wavy sack. The arms were way too full, and there was little likelihood of it being fixed by simply bringing in the middle. The only thing that was right was the sleeve and jacket length (ok, the shoulders still fit).

Thus far I have lucked out on blazers; a similarly slim gentleman ordered MTM Oxxford and walked away, leaving me to grab it later at a discount. And I have a 40L Armani blazer that similarly works, as it seems to be slimmer than the normal 40L (and it tailored well).

Ideally I want a charcoal suit, 2-button single-breasted, with average lapel width (neither the current "skinny" trend nor flamboyant 1970s-style wings), full canvas, smaller armholes, enough waist suppression to create a smooth hourglass shape without causing a crease at the button, flat front trousers. Some nice details would be functioning button holes, side vents, and pic stitching, but those are icing, right now the key issue is fit, followed closely by style. I seem merits in both English and Italian suits, but can't stand the shapeless American clichÃ
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I would think MTM would be the avenue of choice, so I researched and read about Mr. Ned's and LS Men's Clothing, but the reviews seem mixed (and the styles seem to veer more American than European). Also, I really like to see a suit and try it on before committing to spending money; it doesn't have to be the SAME suit that I order, but something to indicate house style, details, construction quality, etc. Otherwise it's literally a shot in the dark, no? Is there any MTM place or tailor in NYC that can show samples of their work (i.e. a portfolio)?

The other issue is cost. I am willing to pay what I consider a decent amount for what will amount to my workhorse (if not my only, at least for the near term) suit, but I only have so much to spend, so my goal was around $1000. If enough boxes were checked, I might be persuaded to go a bit higher, maybe $1500... but it would be a stretch (sadly).

I suppose I should post some pictures of looks I find appealing. So I will go hunt some down and come back with those images.

I thank anyone in advance for their opinions. I realize I've set a lot of wants and desires above and then capped it with a somewhat restrictive budget, so I'm not asking for miracles, just ideas. Hit me with "˜em!

Regards,
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gabedamien

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From this thread http://www.styleforum.net/showthread.php?p=3921284:
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This Oxxford Clothes jacket has good proportions to my eye. The lapel width is perfect. A gorge [EDIT: I mean a button stance] this low is good because I’m a tall guy... want to avoid the “column of cloth” look, accentuate the diagonals more. So no 3-buttons, please. Shoulders are neither totally natural nor artificially stiff (maybe the tiniest bit softer than ideal, but very nice as-is). The color is nice, but this brings up a good point: I don’t like pinstripes. Solids, plaids, worsted textures, even herringbone... but not stripes.
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This guy is looking pretty spiffy in a plaid Canali (as per the random internet site from whence the image came) suit. I really cannot find any specific fault with this picture, although I don’t intend to say I find it perfect either. Maybe I’ll add to this post as I find more pics.
 

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Originally Posted by gabedamien
The other issue is cost. I am willing to pay what I consider a decent amount for what will amount to my workhorse (if not my only, at least for the near term) suit, but I only have so much to spend, so my goal was around $1000. If enough boxes were checked, I might be persuaded to go a bit higher, maybe $1500... but it would be a stretch (sadly).
Will answer your question: http://www.styleforum.net/showthread.php?t=223818 Will answer every NYC MTM / Bespoke question: http://www.styleforum.net/showthread.php?t=11723
 

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Not sure if fully canvassed is a deal breaker, but if not, you could try the BB Milano in a 39L. Not sure if that'll be slim enough or not.
 

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Good tip. Although BB usually strikes me as a little too stolid/American and therefore didn't spring to mind initially, it's easy enough to stop by and see that particular fit for myself; I had no idea they did a slim 39L.
 

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It's only been a day... I haven't visited BB yet, let alone finish researching all the tailors mentioned in the threads above.

I'm a take-it-slow-and-explore-every-option kind of guy. Unless I happen across something which I more or less know instinctively is perfect for me, which doesn't happen very often (sometimes though!). So no, haven't found it yet!

BTW I didn't mean to limit my question to MTM-only. Any OTR options in 38L (or even 39L, since apparently that's a possibility) are welcome too.
 

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Paul Stuart in the "Paul" model. They should be able to get you a 38L if they don't already have one in stock (I have a 39L myself)
 

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Knowledge is King, thanks very much! That’s one of the most promising leads so far; this suit checks quite a number of boxes for not too much cash (the navy is still pretty versatile), provided the 39L fit works. They even offer 38L in their “Phineas Cole” line, although those are a little too aggressively styled for a bread-and-butter main suit (and I don’t like hacking pockets, the seem to emphasize the pelvis weirdly). Edit: if they still have something like this “Michael” suit in stock, however, it might be worth the extra cost of the Phineal Cole line. This is pretty dang close to perfect.
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You should go into the actual paul stuart store. They have a lot more available than what they show on the website, including sizes, and they can special order pretty much any size which is helpful. I think Paul Stuart is one of the only places to offer "short", "regular", "medium-tall", and "tall". They should have a standard navy (and grey) "Paul" fit suit that is ~$1100 (unless they've substantially raised prices recently).
 

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I was able to get a fully canvassed BB Fitzgerald Golden Fleece suit on clearance + 15% off + shipping to a tax free state for under $1000, so what you're talking about is possible.

That being said, when you have a strong need for both irregular sizing and style requirements, at some point you're simply going to have to pay for it. Your best bet might be to scour the resale stores/ebay and get a good tailor. It isn't unrealistic to think you could find a used 38/39L quality suit and tailor it to perfection for that price range.
 

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Also, I understand the desire for a fully canvassed suit but most of the general public can't tell unless they touch the suit. Why not just get a half canvassed suit on clearance for less than $500 that looks great and move onto MTM when you can afford it?
 

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As I said, the only reason I was considering MTM was because it didn't seem like anyone made 38L RTW. But in fact I prefer RTW, I like to see exactly what I'm getting before committing to it, so if you have any leads on 38L suits on clearance I'm all ears.

I do feel however that I'd *like* this suit to be full canvas, precisely *because* I don't know what my future needs might be. I'd rather own ONE ideal suit (that i know i will need occasionally) and then supplement my wardrobe options as needed (or not) with less picky requirements, than to start with a compromise which may very well end up my only suit for years. Quality over quantity.
 

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