21 Shot dead at Virginia Tech

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  1. Augusto86

    Augusto86 Sean Penn's Mexican love child

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    No, but when we didn't know anything about the shooter, one had to wonder a little bit. Being a "student" even if you're 87, is a big loophole people use to get here.




    I'd capitalize the word 'various'.


    Why?
     


  2. LA Guy

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    No, but when we didn't know anything about the shooter, one had to wonder a little bit. Being a "student" even if you're 87, is a big loophole people use to get here.

    Actually, it's not that easy to obtain an F-1 visa. Unless you are Canadian, you are required to jump through a lot of hoops, as is the educational institution you are going to attend, especially since 9/11.

    Let's just call this what it is - a tragedy. A deeply disturbed individual, for reasons we can only speculate on at this point, went on a rampage. That is all.
     


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    Let's just call this what it is - a tragedy. A deeply disturbed individual, for reasons we can only speculate on at this point, went on a rampage. That is all.


    As usual, straight to the point. Thanks.
     


  4. skalogre

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    Actually, it's not that easy to obtain an F-1 visa. Unless you are Canadian, you are required to jump through a lot of hoops, as is the educational institution you are going to attend, especially since 9/11. Let's just call this what it is - a tragedy. A deeply disturbed individual, for reasons we can only speculate on at this point, went on a rampage. That is all.
    +1 If you remember there have been for some years now rumblings that the growth rate of promising students applying to US universities is slowing down - or even decreasing. The increasingly hostile nature of US admissions has been blamed in the past, some people just consider it far too much of a hassle to even apply to a US university, even if (like in my case) it would be much easier to get admitted than to say a UK or German institution. And if you consider the fact that many of the breakthroughs and successful startups involve or are headed by non-US citizens, you get the picture. That is another thing that concerns many in especially the science and engineering fields, combined with the fact that it is getting progressively harder to attract young people from the USA to the fields. The late 1990's brain drain (remember that?) is being reversed, many are just up and leaving and taking with them their expertise, capabilities and knowledge. That is another reason why so many startup companies in, say, India are popping up and throwing the gauntlet to companies already entrenched in the world market. P.s. and in the mid 1990's when I applied for the visa, the process was ridiculously contrived and time-consuming - bureaucratic heaven. I cannot imagine what it is like now, even with the BCIS suppossedly having sped things up.
     


  5. globetrotter

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    I really believe that it is important for the US to keep bringing in foreign students. it is a great tool to teach people about the US and its freedoms. this was unfortunate, very unfortunate, but I hope this won't change the system of brining in foreign students.
     


  6. Augusto86

    Augusto86 Sean Penn's Mexican love child

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    I really believe that it is important for the US to keep bringing in foreign students. it is a great tool to teach people about the US and its freedoms. this was unfortunate, very unfortunate, but I hope this won't change the system of brining in foreign students.

    Hopefully you are right, but history suggests otherwise...there is always a backlash, be it suicide bombers or nappy-headed hos.
     


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    Hopefully you are right, but history suggests otherwise...there is always a backlash, be it suicide bombers or nappy-headed hos.

    The backlash started around 2001 - and will only get worse.
     


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    1) This was the second college campus shooting in the US in 40 years.\\

    Yes, and it was probably the first ever by a South Korean student. So what? Mass shootings in various settings occur all too frequently in the USA. Comments such as the above are exactly what I am talking about - the determined compulsion not to concede there is a larger gun-related problem which the USA is doing nothing of consequence to address.

    One "similar" incident in Canada does not equate to the clearly-demonstrable trendof incidents in the USA, nor does it obviate Americans from doing something about their own problem.
     


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    I actually feel sorry for his family. I suspect they are normal people who just happened to have a kid with a screw loose. I'm guessing they'll move back to Korea and live the rest of their lives in shame.
     


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    Why is this guy's student status even an issue? From the wiki site and other news sources, this guy was a permanent resident. He did not come here through a student visa.
     


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    Why is this guy's student status even an issue? From the wiki site and other news sources, this guy was a permanent resident. He did not come here through a student visa.

    I think there would be a question about gun ownership.
     


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    What're you talking about? When was the last mass-shooting at an American university?

    Apparently this the NINETEENTH multiple shooting at a school or college campus in the USA!!
     


  13. Augusto86

    Augusto86 Sean Penn's Mexican love child

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    I think there would be a question about gun ownership.

    News seems to say he bought the guns legally under Virginia law as a green-card resident but then they also say the serial numbers were filed off. Sort of odd.
     


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    News seems to say he bought the guns legally under Virginia law as a green-card resident but then they also say the serial numbers were filed off. Sort of odd.

    Serial numbers are not infrequently removed from firearms in preparation for use in a crime, in an attempt to avoid their being traced back to the original owner or point of sale.
     


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