Discussion in 'Entertainment, Culture, and Sports' started by edinatlanta, Feb 3, 2011.
Trade just went through.
I was also wondering about the waivers issue...
...but on the Sox side nobody is going to claim Beckett or Crawford - the salaries are retarded. The key was Adrian getting through, and once he did, it was a go. I think most of the guys on the Dodgers side are minor leaguers.
I wondered about guys like Loney and Punto though. Were they part of the final trade?
Yep. I think Loney was just a warm body to fill first base in A-Gon's absence. I have no idea why the Dodgers wanted Punto.
With Hairston gone for the year, Punto becomes the backup utility guy. As a Dodgers fan you have no idea how horrible it is to watch Uribe get at bats. Now with Cruz playing terrifically at 3b and Punto as a backup, Uribe shouldn't see the field anymore. Kennedy also hasn't been producing so Punto helps fill that void as well. Not saying Punto is at all a significant part of the deal, but he is a bit player that can upgrade the bench.
With Uribe becoming irrelevant and Loney gone, Dodger fans can breath a huge sigh of relief knowing that we won't have to see those guys hit for us anymore. Seriously, it was devastating watching them at the plate.
I think this was the perfect storm situation. BoSox wanted to do it to shed salary. Dodgers have cash galore and want to make an impact, specifically Gonzalez....huge upgrade over Loney's sorry ass. With Beckett you get a 4-5 starter. He'll eat up innings plus over the past few years, on average AL starts going to NL lower their era by half a run. That's make him a serviceable 4-5 going by what they have now. With a change of scenery from that Boston clusterfuck, who knows. Granted he most likely won't revert to vintage Beckett, but I see potential for a number 3 starter and most likely a 4-5 guy. Crawford is supposed to be back by spring training next year according to the Dodgers. Tommy John isn't as long a recovery for non pitchers. He was hitting .282 this year and a change in scenery should do him good. He wasn't meant for Boston. As a defensive guy with range, LF at Fenway worked against him and as a spray hitter, the short porch hurt him as well. Guys can bounce back from one bad year as Kemp did. I can see him bouncing back and becoming his old self. But if he doesn't, we have Puig for next year who is looking great, we've invested heavily in him, and he looks legit. Crawford doesn't come back strong, Dodgers can dump him on someone for cheap (wont get much in return and probably eat contract). If he does come back strong, either him or Puig/Ethier are huge trade bait chips. Either way the Dodgers are stronger and when it comes to payroll, there is money in LA. Gonzalez was the main reason we did this.
As for waivers, sure the Giants or anyone could step in and claim any of these guys. But why would they? To stop the Dodgers from getting better? Risky move. Giants make a waiver claim for Beckett or Crawford and they get saddled with that contract and the Dodgers say, "Go ahead, now your out of money and can't do shit. We'll do something else now." The deal may still go through without that guy in some other form. They make a claim for Gonzalez and the BoSox take back the claim, or they get him but they can't do anything else for years. It was the perfect situation in that other teams couldn't take the risk in trying to stifle the deal because if they did so, they could end up mortgaging their future trying to block another team. The Dodgers were the only team with the cash willing to make the move.
Tigers pull one out, but the White Sox keep winning and winning.
Yeah, Loney was a disaster. I was all for this deal based on AGon alone. Where are they playing Hanley?
BDC & Douglas, good points, I wasn't thinking of the salary aspect of the deal. Major dump, I remember the White Sox doing something like this 10 years ago or so. The only difference was the White Sox were still in the running for a playoff spot. AL east just got a little easier for my O's. I was worried coming in to this series with the Blue Jays as they always have our number, but they're beyond bad.
Anyone else surprised that Mauer passed through waivers? I wonder if the Yanks will take a flyer on him in exchange for eating his whole contract. Then they can split him at C, DH, and 1B.
You guys got worked by Bruce Chen....Bruce.....Chen.
Our heads are hung low in shame. Thank goodness the Sox lost today. A win, tonight, can put us in a good position for the weekend.
Good Lord Almighty do I get frustrated with K-Rod! The Brewers have been on a roll lately, and I still wouldn't be surprised a bit to see them repeat as NL Central champs. But that's not gonna happen with K-Rod closing games. (Okay, I don't really think they'll repeat as NL Central champs. But still.)
Another loss to the Royals. Tiger pitching has been good. We just can't score a run. Not a good way to start the weekend showdown with the White Sox.
You guys running into Sale this weekend?? We soften the up for you a bit I hope. We're heading into a showdown with the Yanks. I think we can sweep too.
The baseball mood of the city has done a 180 over the last week or so. After a great series against the Reds, the Cards are looking awful.
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