2017 MLB Season Thread

Discussion in 'Entertainment, Culture, and Sports' started by edinatlanta, Feb 3, 2011.

  1. Steve B.

    Steve B. Go Spurs Go

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    1. He never failed a steroid test.

    2. He would still be 500/500.

    3. He would still be lifetime leader in walks and intentional walks.

    4. He would be a member of 3,000 hit club instead of 65 hits short.

    5. He would still have the incredible string in batting avg. I think we can all agree PEDs if anything have a negative effect on tAV.

    6. He would be all time leader in Runs.

    7. He would still have 19 Gold Gloves.

    8. He would still have more than 3 MVPS, still better than anyone, ever.

    No steroids drop him to #3, maybe #5.
     
  2. lawyerdad

    lawyerdad Senior member

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    You make some valid points, but leading with #1 makes you come across as a reflexive fanboi and erodes your credibility. I also don't think all of your following points are necessarily true. I do agree he clearly was on a HOF track before bulking up.
     
  3. edinatlanta

    edinatlanta Senior member

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    There's a lurking variable for why this is the case... I've already explained what it would be.


    lol at un-falsifiable claims.
     
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    Rambo Senior member

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    1 is irrelevant, and you know it. EVERYONE knows it. Doesn't take away from his greatness, just mitigates it.

    2 - 8 are all dependent on 1. I most definitely don't think he'd be the career leader in walks, avg, or runs if he wasn't such a home run threat.
     
  5. edinatlanta

    edinatlanta Senior member

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    Seriously, why do you care about runs as a stat when evaluating a player's performance? Runs and RBIs are the two least important stats ever.
     
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    Depending on how you're using them, there's also an element of double-counting as between runs and rbi's unless you back out home runs.
     
  7. edinatlanta

    edinatlanta Senior member

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    Exactly. When looking at "runs" qua statistic, the only one you can use to evaluate a player's individual performance is a homerun. RBIs just indicate that batters before him got on base.

    I don't want everyone to become a sabermatrician, I'm certainly not, but just understand what some of the statistics are actually saying and not just go "well this is on a baseball card so its important.
     
  8. Steve B.

    Steve B. Go Spurs Go

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    You're serious?

    Runs indicate your hitting ability, what team you play on (important in this day of free agency), your place in the order (a function of your skill set). I could think of others...

    Runs batted in are the real measurement of your value to a team. There are players with great home run numbers every year. But their K numbers and tAVs are way below average.

    Hank Aaron has the number for RBIs.

    Blasphemer!
     
  9. edinatlanta

    edinatlanta Senior member

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    Dude, Steve B., what I am continually amazed by is how little you understand sports statistics and how routinely you spout off about them and how thoroughly and utterly wrong you are in all your analyses.

    What's most amazing is I still can't pull the trigger to ignore you. You're the 22-car pileup where every vehicle is totaled, people likely died yet you still can't help but rubberneck.

    ETA: I'm a giver. This is what you're trying to talk about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runs_created.
    Also, you have the conceptualization of runs and RBIs backward. Keep up the fail.
     
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    I'm all for people having individual preferences and opinions in discussions about sports, but this isn't even internally consistent. You're just throwing out random (often wildly inaccurate) comments.
     
  11. Steve B.

    Steve B. Go Spurs Go

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    I found that very interesting. And enlightening. I was all proud of myself for going past 5x5 and then I got in that 22 car pileup.



    see above.
     
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    Does Lincecum really have a 10+ ERA and 2.20+ WHIP in spring.

    Jesus.
     
  13. Steve B.

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    I won't be drafting him
     
  15. Steve B.

    Steve B. Go Spurs Go

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    I kept him so I'm fucked. I could just drop him...

    I have good pitchers- Darvish, Lester, Haren, Lincecum, Garza (who I will put on the DL) and sleeper pitcher of the year- Alexi Ogando

    And our league has holds so I did an onside kick and picked holders only in rounds where I had 2 picks back to back (we trade draft choices too). Let every body else scrap over saves.

    Because our league has 4 keepers, the only decent pitchers available were Darvish, Lee, Latos and Sale in the first round.

    Darvish, Sale and Lee went in the first round. Latos in the 2nd or 3rd, Lester in the 6th. I had no 5th round.

    I traded it, a 7th, and Martinez for Posey.
     
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