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2010 NFL Draft

Discussion in 'Entertainment, Culture, and Sports' started by embowafa, Apr 22, 2010.

  1. Tokyo Slim

    Tokyo Slim Senior member

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    No, you don't get it. You have already admitted to the fact that you don't know how Whitehurst is going to do. Therefore my point is proven, and yours remains conjecture and speculation. [​IMG]

    It has nothing to do with how well or poorly I think he's going to do or not do. The fact that I'm optimisic, and you are not has nothing to do with it. I never said he was going to be a pro bowl QB. I said he has the tools to succeed, and I think the organization has a significant investment in making that happen. (Something the Chargers didn't have).

    You just put forth the opinion that Whitehurst is going to fail, as if it was a fact. It's not.

    Everything I said was already proven. Except that you were no scout. Which was then subsequently admitted by you in following posts.
     
  2. Bradford

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    Love the Raider's pick of Jared Veldheer in the Rd. 3.

    First player out of my undergrad since 1980.

    Go D2!
     
  3. NorCal

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    Love the Raider's pick of Jared Veldheer in the Rd. 3.

    First player out of my undergrad since 1980.

    Go D2!


    The Raiders actually picked up the biggest O-line studs in the draft as far as pure athletic talent/physicality is concerned. If they pan out this could be a very sweet draft for them.

    Honestly I would have liked to have seen the 9ers get Veldheer and skip on the TE.
     
  4. Tokyo Slim

    Tokyo Slim Senior member

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    I'm still waiting for the Raiders to offer Usain Bolt a 15 million contract to play WR. [​IMG]
     
  5. ArteEtLabore14

    ArteEtLabore14 Senior member

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    No, you don't get it. You have already admitted to the fact that you don't know how Whitehurst is going to do. Therefore my point is proven, and yours remains conjecture and speculation. [​IMG]

    It has nothing to do with how well or poorly I think he's going to do or not do. The fact that I'm optimisic, and you are not has nothing to do with it. I never said he was going to be a pro bowl QB. I said he has the tools to succeed, and I think the organization has a significant investment in making that happen. (Something the Chargers didn't have).

    You just put forth the opinion that Whitehurst is going to fail, as if it was a fact. It's not.

    Everything I said was already proven. Except that you were no scout. Which was then subsequently admitted by you in following posts.


    The 3rd round draft pick they used on wasn't a significant investment? They didn't want to see him succeed? Doesn't really make sense to me.

    I put forth the opinion that he was going to fail as what it is, my opinion.

    I'm not sure what point you think you've made. If your only point is that "he has the tools to succeed" and that the Seahawks have a "significant investment in making that happen" then sure I'll agree with you.

    But I will make the further argument that every player drafted in the NFL has the tools to succeed, and every team that drafted that player has a significant investment in making that happen. It's really a "no duh" statement. They wouldn't have been drafted if NFL teams didn't think the player could succeed, and that they could help them with it.

    My OPINION is that Charlie Whitehurst is going to be a career backup, but the FACT of the matter is that we won't know until we see him play.

    /discussion
     
  6. Tokyo Slim

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    You made no mention of your opinion being an opinion. You said he was going to fail. You said he was going to fail because he's been unimpressive when you've seen him. I called BS.

    You also said that the Chargers drafted him to push Rivers. Thats a different type of investment than Giving up a few hundred draft points and ten million dollars with the expectation that he's going to be the next starting QB.

    They never intended to Groom Whitehurst to start. They fully committed themselves to Rivers.

    There's a big difference between hoping someone succeeds, and putting them in the best position to succeed.
     
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    Man the Sea Hawks just signed Whitehurst. The only way I see that ending is poorly. That guy is going to fail at the pro level.
     
  8. Tokyo Slim

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    Man the Sea Hawks just signed Whitehurst. The only way I see that ending is poorly. That guy is going to fail at the pro level.

    Welcome to last month. Next... the 2010 nfl draft!
     
  9. ArteEtLabore14

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    Man the Sea Hawks just signed Whitehurst. The only way I see that ending is poorly. That guy is going to fail at the pro level.

    +1 lol
     
  10. Tokyo Slim

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    You guys are assholes.
     
  11. NorCal

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    Welcome to last month. Next... the 2010 nfl draft!

    Rumor has it the Hawks might draft well but still end up sucking.

    I'm just fucking with you Slim, to bad you did not take the bait.

    In all seriousness, the Hawks have had two nice drafts on paper but don't seem like they're moving forward fast enough. I would still pick the Cards and the Niners to battle it out for the division title.
    I don't think Pete Carrol wil be a winner long term and losing Holmegrim will hurt. He might be a walrus faced cock sucker but he knows football.

    And while your loyalty to Hasslback is touching, he is not the future of that franchise. HE was a good QB who had a few great years and is on the downside of his career. Injuries will likely happen more not less as he gets older and it's injuries that have derailed him over the years.

    Having a stud tackle will help keep him up right and perhaps prolong his career but I'd bet dollars to donuts in thee years he won't be starting and if Whitehurst is still around Hawks fans will be calling to replace him.
     
  12. Tokyo Slim

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    Rumor has it the Hawks might draft well but still end up sucking.

    I'm just fucking with you Slim, to bad you did not take the bait.

    In all seriousness, the Hawks have had two nice drafts on paper but don't seem like they're moving forward fast enough. I would still pick the Cards and the Niners to battle it out for the division title.
    I don't think Pete Carrol wil be a winner long term and losing Holmegrim will hurt. He might be a walrus faced cock sucker but he knows football.

    And while your loyalty to Hasslback is touching, he is not the future of that franchise. HE was a good QB who had a few great years and is on the downside of his career. Injuries will likely happen more not less as he gets older and it's injuries that have derailed him over the years.

    Having a stud tackle will help keep him up right and perhaps prolong his career but I'd bet dollars to donuts in thee years he won't be starting and if Whitehurst is still around Hawks fans will be calling to replace him.


    Basically you just said what i've been saying this entire thread. If the hawks are good this year, awesome. If they suck, we have a shot at Locker. I just don't want them to win 8 games, but lose the division. I know Hasselbeck on on the downhill, and I prob wouldn't give him 3 years. I'd say two. That's enough.
     
  13. WhateverYouLike

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    Rumor has it the Hawks might draft well but still end up sucking.

    I'm just fucking with you Slim, to bad you did not take the bait.

    In all seriousness, the Hawks have had two nice drafts on paper but don't seem like they're moving forward fast enough. I would still pick the Cards and the Niners to battle it out for the division title.
    I don't think Pete Carrol wil be a winner long term and losing Holmegrim will hurt. He might be a walrus faced cock sucker but he knows football.

    And while your loyalty to Hasslback is touching, he is not the future of that franchise. HE was a good QB who had a few great years and is on the downside of his career. Injuries will likely happen more not less as he gets older and it's injuries that have derailed him over the years.

    Having a stud tackle will help keep him up right and perhaps prolong his career but I'd bet dollars to donuts in thee years he won't be starting and if Whitehurst is still around Hawks fans will be calling to replace him.


    Niners are gonna run away with the division (this is from a hawks fan). You are delusional if you think the cards can do anything except shit the bed with Leinart at the helm and no boldin.
     
  14. Bradford

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    Niners are gonna run away with the division (this is from a hawks fan). You are delusional if you think the cards can do anything except shit the bed with Leinart at the helm and no boldin.

    Leinart played well before he was hurt a few years ago and Derek Anderson is a capable backup plus with Fitzgerald, Breaston and Early Doucette the Cardinals will still compete for the division title.
     
  15. ArteEtLabore14

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    No one has any faith in the Rams? No one? For shame!



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    Yeah, I can't say that with a straight face [​IMG]

    BUT hey, maybe they'll win 4 or 5 games!?!?

    That would be PROGRESS!!!
     
  16. Tokyo Slim

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    No one has any faith in the Rams? No one? For shame!
    If SJax can stay healthy, take the pressure off Bradford, and keep 8 defenders in the box top open up the passing game, they have a chance.
     
  17. ArteEtLabore14

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    If SJax can stay healthy, take the pressure off Bradford, and keep 8 defenders in the box top open up the passing game, they have a chance.

    I swear I'm not trying to get into arguments with you lol. I agree with the sentiment here, but for me it's backwards.

    If Sam Bradford can stay healthy, take the pressure off Steven Jackson, and keep 8 defenders out of the box to open up the running game, they have a chance.

    For me, SJ is the most important player to our team. That may change as Bradford becomes more experienced and starts to become a true "franchise quarterback" (fingers crossed) but until that time SJ is the King (but really the Queen 'cause she's actually the best) and all the other players are just Pawns.
     
  18. Tokyo Slim

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    I swear I'm not trying to get into arguments with you lol. I agree with the sentiment here, but for me it's backwards. If Sam Bradford can stay healthy, take the pressure off Steven Jackson, and keep 8 defenders out of the box to open up the running game, they have a chance. For me, SJ is the most important player to our team. That may change as Bradford becomes more experienced and starts to become a true "franchise quarterback" (fingers crossed) but until that time SJ is the King (but really the Queen 'cause she's actually the best) and all the other players are just Pawns.
    I can see it working both ways I guess, but I think Stevie Wonder carrying the team on his back is more likely than Sammy Davis Bradford doing the same. Nobody is going to respect the Rams passing game until Bradford proves he can actually run the team. Which he might be able to do. But I have a sneaking suspicion that your opponents are going to key on the run first, pass second. I'd expect people to try and rush a lot against you and get pressure in the backfield. This is effective against both Jackson (stop him before he gets momentum, close off his cutback lanes) and Bradford (Shake up the rookie and make him think about his shoulder).
     
  19. Bradford

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    I kind of want to get a Bradford jersey and wear it to the next SF meetup!

    P.S. Did you hear that Tim Tebow is the most talked about white Bronco since OJ?

    [​IMG]
     
  20. ConcernedParent

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    Leinart played well before he was hurt a few years ago and Derek Anderson is a capable backup plus with Fitzgerald, Breaston and Early Doucette the Cardinals will still compete for the division title.

    Leinart isn't proven. Neither is Alex Smith, but who gives a shit when you have Frank Gore and two newly drafted first round meatshields pushing the pile. Niners defense is solid.
     

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