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2010 NFL Draft

Discussion in 'Entertainment, Culture, and Sports' started by embowafa, Apr 22, 2010.

  1. Tokyo Slim

    Tokyo Slim Senior member

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    He's not as much of a loose cannon as you think he is

    Please explain to me then... Charlie Whitehurst.
     
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    I’m liking the prime time format so far, but I can’t stand the cameras showing the player talking to the team exec on the cell phone before his name is officially called. Kills all the anticipation from the Commish's announcement. NFL should either require the cameras to show the reacton shot after the announcement or prevent the team from calling the draftee first.
     
  3. countdemoney

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    How do you figure? Roy Williams is useless - has been for the last 2 years. They have one superstar in Austin. Crayton is a #3. Ogletree is still up and coming.

    They have a need for another playmaking receiver to take pressure off Austin, and Dez is the guy for the job. However you are right in that if they don't fill OT and FS this offseason via trade or FA, they are in trouble.


    My experience is that with very rare exceptions (man-child Andre Johnson, Marvin Harrison, Jesus in cleats Jerry Rice, etc.) qb's make the wr and not the other way around. Look at Chicago where Cutler (note, I am not a cutler fan) put up 3,600 yards with the equivalent of a practice squad team.

    Or look at New Orleans, Atlanta, or better Baltimore all who had middle of the pack receiver corps until getting a superior quarterback.

    I think that once you reach a certain minimum level of physical ability, the item which most makes a passing attack is qb and wide receiver trust.
     
  4. Mark from Plano

    Mark from Plano Senior member

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    Bryant to Dallas!!

    This is Moss 2.0. A bunch of retards pass him by for "character issues" without even thinking about it (well, what do you expect these are NFL execs). Character issues? This mofo "SPOKE" to god-fearing reverent Deion Sanders. Hahaha, what a travesty. Shame on him.

    Oh man, Austin & Bryant is going to be sick.


    I didn't understand the cowboys pick. Needed another WR like a hole in the head.

    How do you figure? Roy Williams is useless - has been for the last 2 years. They have one superstar in Austin. Crayton is a #3. Ogletree is still up and coming.

    They have a need for another playmaking receiver to take pressure off Austin, and Dez is the guy for the job. However you are right in that if they don't fill OT and FS this offseason via trade or FA, they are in trouble.


    My experience is that with very rare exceptions (man-child Andre Johnson, Marvin Harrison, Jesus in cleats Jerry Rice, etc.) qb's make the wr and not the other way around. Look at Chicago where Cutler (note, I am not a cutler fan) put up 3,600 yards with the equivalent of a practice squad team.

    Or look at New Orleans, Atlanta, or better Baltimore all who had middle of the pack receiver corps until getting a superior quarterback.

    I think that once you reach a certain minimum level of physical ability, the item which most makes a passing attack is qb and wide receiver trust.


    Cowboys taking Bryant at 24 was the A+ pick of the first round. Count, without addressing each of your points the Cowboys just got very, very dangerous offensively and added a huge return threat. They were actually not as deep at WR as you might think.
    1. Austin had a great year. I expect him to continue that, but there's no guarantee that he can repeat that level. I hope he can and the Cowboys expect him to.
    2. Roy Williams is a complete bust. He's had ample time to establish himself and instead he's delivered exactly nothing. Romo has worked hard to work him into the offense and he either can't get open, or runs the wrong route or drops the ball when he does get open. They stayed with him longer than they should have and it hasn't worked. They won't trade him, but they know they can't rely on him.
    3. Patrick Creighton is fine, but Patrick Creighton is just a guy. He's no real threat.

    With Bryant, the Cowboys have a true Randy Moss-type talent.

    Do they have other issues to address, sure. So does every team. Nobody has pro bowlers at every position. But you put Austin on one side, Bryant on the other, Romo at quarterback, Felix Jones at running back and Jason Witten at TE and you have an absolute nightmare for defensive coordinators. They need to add one OL guy...two would be better, but one works. They should be able to do that in either the later rounds or in free agency.

    I'm very excited about this pick.
     
  5. Ambulance Chaser

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    I don't see the Moss-Bryant comparison other than both have had off-the-field problems. Moss is a freak of nature; Bryant is 6'2" with average speed. I think Bryant will be a solid pro, with the potential to be a very good one if he cleans up his work habits.
     
  6. embowafa

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    Please explain to me then... Charlie Whitehurst.

    No excuse there. [​IMG]
     
  7. Tokyo Slim

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    No excuse there. [​IMG]

    That and the Mike/Reggie Williams signings have had me tearing out my hair for about a month. I could be wrong, and Whitehurst may be the next coming of Steve Young... but we just traded down 20 picks in the 2nd round, gave up our 3rd round pick, and paid 10 million dollars for a guy who hasn't even been a 2nd string QB before.

    That being said, I think the Seahawks had a great first round. I don't think either of their picks were terribly difficult decisions though, and my credit is tempered by the fact that a no-brainer fell to them at six, and they had a host of "right picks" available to them at 14. Props for skipping Jimmy Claussen tho. I was worried they'd take him.
     
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    The dez bryant pick was a good one. The cowboys had no speed really and noone to stretch the field. They have a deep threat now to take pressure of Miles Austin and Witten. Roy williams is garbage and crayton is mediocre. Also, remember that there is uncertainty with Austin's future beyond this coming season. If someone next season offers Austin a boatload more moeny than he's worth the cowboys have a backup plan. Still time to take someone like Taylor Mays in the 2nd/3rd



    By far the comment of the night from my friend watching the draft on Tebow:

    God wanted tebow to be a mile closer to him
     
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    Every coach brings in some guys who understand his MO. Look at Bill Parcells. He doesn't seem to go anywhere without bringing a certain number of guys from his last team.

    Re: Whitehurst. While Williams is a CPC thing all the way, Whitehurst is John Schneider's pick. Lots of NFL guys rely on their original (college) evaluation of a player. Schneider clearly had a 1st round grade on Whitehurst and made the move.

    Schneider was really well thought of in Green Bay by Thompson, and did help build the Seahawks super bowl team with Thompson when they both worked together out there. Give it some time.

    Oh yeah, having lots of "right picks" doesn't always equal making the right picks - see also Jeff Lagemann and the old New York Jets and the current Raiders.
     
  10. Tokyo Slim

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    FWIW, I thought the Raiders made a pretty solid pick this year.
     
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    My experience is that with very rare exceptions (man-child Andre Johnson, Marvin Harrison, Jesus in cleats Jerry Rice, etc.) qb's make the wr and not the other way around. Look at Chicago where Cutler (note, I am not a cutler fan) put up 3,600 yards with the equivalent of a practice squad team.

    Or look at New Orleans, Atlanta, or better Baltimore all who had middle of the pack receiver corps until getting a superior quarterback.

    I think that once you reach a certain minimum level of physical ability, the item which most makes a passing attack is qb and wide receiver trust.


    Cutler threw like 200 ints though. Plus his numbers went down, not up, with the Bears. While Orton's numbers went up from last year. Brandon Marshall was still Brandon Marshall, 100+ catches with Orton, who's average at best.

    It goes both ways. We had Jeff Garcia put up better regular season stats than Joe Montana when TO was here in his prime. Once TO left, Garcia struggled and he's been a backup/fringe starter ever since.

    Colston and White are pretty good WRs. And Baltimore's passing game is average and Flacco certainly hasn't made any of their WRs look good. Their WRs are absolutely horrible. They don't have a single TE or WR, including Todd Heap, that'd start on any other team in the league.
     
  12. NorCal

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    FWIW, I thought the Raiders made a pretty solid pick this year.

    So did I. THe local press is still panning them for not going OT. The meme is "Ruining the team for the future won't matter when Al Davis is dead, and he died four years ago."

    I think the Niners had a great draft. Both guys are huge, athletic, and fill our biggest need. The "off field issues" of Davis would seem to be pretty non existent. A few people close to him have said that he is a bit of a loner and just needs good people around him. Also he is only 20 and a tad immature for his age. Sounds perfect for coach Sing. He has been able to get players to respond to his approach and has their respect. HE also is able to relate well and I think he can get the best out of this guy. Davis met with him a few times and really wanted to play for him.

    Frank Gore running behind a shitty line still put up numbers last year, I can't wait to see him behind these two.
    Now we need to pick Claussen or Taylor MAys in the 2nd.

    As per Denver, their draft just looks worse and worse. They end up with a QB and WR. But they could have had Dez at WR and Clussen at QB and not tradded any picks, or if they had such a TeaBag bonner, Dez, maybe a DE late in the first, and picked up Tea Bag in the 2nd and still have all their other picks. Worst draft by far.

    Minn is very happy right now.
     
  13. Tokyo Slim

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    Don't love the Golden Tate pick, but don't hate it either. Thought maybe we'd go with Griffin.

    People here are already comparing Tate to Percy Harvin and Steve Smith. Is that realistic at all? Only seen a few highlight reels.
     
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    Don't love the Golden Tate pick, but don't hate it either. Thought maybe we'd go with Griffin.

    People here are already comparing Tate to Percy Harvin and Steve Smith. Is that realistic at all? Only seen a few highlight reels.


    He's no Dez Bryant. =D
     
  15. Tokyo Slim

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    He's no Dez Bryant. =D

    I didn't ask if he was Randy Moss, I asked if he was Steve Smith. [​IMG]
     
  16. countdemoney

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    ^^^^

    Ted Ginn, Jr.

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    I actually like Golden Tate. I don't know why, it's not like I saw him play much, but I like him.
     
  17. embowafa

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    I think Pete should have gone with his former player, Damien Williams.

    Golden Tate is a good player, though not as fast as Percy and not as strong as Steve Smith (I'm assuming you're referring to the Carolina Panther).
     
  18. NorCal

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    Love the 9ers picking up Mays. Huge, fast, and hits like a brick shit house. What's not to like?
    Do think they should have gone with Colt in the third, but trading down did land them three extra picks which is always nice.

    So far I'm very happy with their draft.
     
  19. Tokyo Slim

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    What's not to like?
    Had pretty noticeable coverage deficiencies in college, only going to be magnified in the NFL unless he puts in serious work. At this point, he's a safety who doesn't cover anyone, but loves to punish people. Not looking forward to him taking out his feelings of betrayal on us twice a year. Especially if he ever figures out how to defend a slot receiver.
     
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    Had pretty noticeable coverage deficiencies in college, only going to be magnified in the NFL unless he puts in serious work. At this point, he's a safety who doesn't cover anyone, but loves to punish people. Not looking forward to him taking out his feelings of betrayal on us twice a year. Especially if he ever figures out how to defend a slot receiver.

    Yeah, I have a feeling those problems are overrated. He addressed it on local radio and basically said he was coached to hit, not to cover and that he'll adapt his game to whatever his coaches want. He was asked to make more plays on the ball in the senior bowl and had a Int.

    I like his size, speed, and desire to be coached. One thing a lot of players have said about Sing. is that they like him, his philosophy, and really want to be coached by him.
     

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