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2010 Lexus LF-A

Discussion in 'Fine Living, Home, Design & Auto' started by RFX45, Sep 30, 2009.

  1. BrianVarick

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    The front and back lights are terrible if that is indead the final design
     
  2. DNW

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    Wouldn't it be better to actually see how the car performs, before being bashed?

    Normally, I'd agree with you. But, Lexus is not exactly known for making a decent sports cars. All those other cars that he compared the LF-A with, they're all purebreds. You just can't gain decades of experience overnight.

    Do you seriously thing this $250k street-version LF-A will pose any significant competition to the Enzo or the Murcielago? Puhlease.
     
  3. Nomad_K

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    Normally, I'd agree with you. But, Lexus is not exactly known for making a decent sports cars. All those other cars that he compared the LF-A with, they're all purebreds. You just can't gain decades of experience overnight.

    Do you seriously thing this $250k street-version LF-A will pose any significant competition to the Enzo or the Murcielago? Puhlease.


    I have not followed the car 'scene' much for the last few months, so if I may pose the following question to someone who has followed the LF-A a bit more...

    What is the aim of the LF-A? Track numbers (GT-R, ZR-1, etc), rolling work of art (Murci, 575, etc) or something in between (a la the R8 perhaps)?
     
  4. gnatty8

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    That is one god-awful fucken (sic) ugly car..
     
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    Actually, I don't think it's that bad looking without all the masking and camouflage taken off it.
     
  6. RFX45

    RFX45 Senior member

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    Lexus may not be known for making sports cars but they are taking it more seriously now. Take a look at the IS-F, sure it beat the M3 or C63 or even the RS4 but it is right there neck to neck against those vehicles and in some tests, the IS-F actually made better numbers on the track than those competitors.

    Even though it is only available in an 8-speed automatic, the for the price and what you get, it is easily one of the best options out there for it's price range. An M3 with the same options as a stock IS-F is probably $8k-$10k more.

    Believe me, Toyota/Lexus are making strives in the sports car department again. They are developing a brand new Supra and the new Toyota x Subaru RWD coupe that will compete with the Genesis coupe might come out in a year or two. Toyota stepped away from the sports car contention for a while but they do have history and experience and the Supra is still one of the most iconic and favorite amongst sports car enthusiast out there.

    The LF-A is their entry back to this field and they are making a big impact, I already heard they are doing great times at Nurburghing (sp?) so only time will tell. Give them a couple of years and even if they do not dominate the track or the streets, I am pretty sure they will be right there neck to neck with it's competitors.
     
  7. bkk

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    Lexus may not be known for making sports cars but they are taking it more seriously now. Take a look at the IS-F, sure it beat the M3 or C63 or even the RS4 but it is right there neck to neck against those vehicles and in some tests, the IS-F actually made better numbers on the track than those competitors.

    Even though it is only available in an 8-speed automatic, the for the price and what you get, it is easily one of the best options out there for it's price range. An M3 with the same options as a stock IS-F is probably $8k-$10k more.

    Believe me, Toyota/Lexus are making strives in the sports car department again. They are developing a brand new Supra and the new Toyota x Subaru RWD coupe that will compete with the Genesis coupe might come out in a year or two. Toyota stepped away from the sports car contention for a while but they do have history and experience and the Supra is still one of the most iconic and favorite amongst sports car enthusiast out there.

    The LF-A is their entry back to this field and they are making a big impact, I already heard they are doing great times at Nurburghing (sp?) so only time will tell. Give them a couple of years and even if they do not dominate the track or the streets, I am pretty sure they will be right there neck to neck with it's competitors.



    I don't remember the IS-F beating the M3 in any performance testing. Japanese cars are meant for driver comfort, not for all out performance. Granted, I think the IS line is claustrophobic, but Lexus has less jolting and jostling compared to the German counterparts.
     
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    Is it wearing some disguise body kit? I hope that's not the final mock up...

    This thing looks outdated already.

    It's heavily camo'ed
     
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    I don't remember the IS-F beating the M3 in any performance testing. Japanese cars are meant for driver comfort, not for all out performance. Granted, I think the IS line is claustrophobic, but Lexus has less jolting and jostling compared to the German counterparts.

    I remember one test beating the M3 in a 0-60. The IS-F does have a higher HP and about a 75lbs torque advantage and of course it depends on the driver/tester but I still remember that win by the ISF. M3's weight still triumphs in the end though, something Lexus and Benz has to put into consideration.
     
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    I remember one test beating the M3 in a 0-60. The IS-F does have a higher HP and about a 75lbs torque advantage and of course it depends on the driver/tester but I still remember that win by the ISF. M3's weight still triumphs in the end though, something Lexus and Benz has to put into consideration.

    That does not sound right. Here's a review from Edmunds where even the 335 racked up better performance: http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=123125

    It's a nice car, but I would have to say performance is mainly inferior to the M3, albeit, not by much.
     
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    thousands of mods are available for the m3...not so with the IS-F. For just a little bit of money you can make an m3 that will destroy the IS-F in every test
     
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    Normally, I'd agree with you. But, Lexus is not exactly known for making a decent sports cars. All those other cars that he compared the LF-A with, they're all purebreds. You just can't gain decades of experience overnight. Do you seriously thing this $250k street-version LF-A will pose any significant competition to the Enzo or the Murcielago? Puhlease.
    All I'm saying, it'll still be interesting to see what this thing can do. Toyota currently makes some pretty dull cars, but they do have experience in nearly every form of racing.
     
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    thousands of mods are available for the m3...not so with the IS-F. For just a little bit of money you can make an m3 that will destroy the IS-F in every test

    Well hell, with a few mods the M3 can destroy plenty of sports cars that cost a lot more. That wasn't the point though, the point is Lexus' first entry to the sports car segment is a success and it has turned a few heads. Lexus brought what most did not expect from them. Like I said, if you match-up the price of the M3 and ISF feature for feature, M3 will probably cost $10k more so to those who are looking for more comfort, luxury and speed for the money, Lexus is a good choice and probably the best choice right now. I believe it is still the cheapest choice and the one that could be discounted the most.
     
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    Well hell, with a few mods the M3 can destroy plenty of sports cars that cost a lot more. That wasn't the point though, the point is Lexus' first entry to the sports car segment is a success and it has turned a few heads. Lexus brought what most did not expect from them. Like I said, if you match-up the price of the M3 and ISF feature for feature, M3 will probably cost $10k more so to those who are looking for more comfort, luxury and speed for the money, Lexus is a good choice and probably the best choice right now. I believe it is still the cheapest choice and the one that could be discounted the most.


    Yes, yes, yes, we're all aware of your love for the IS-F.

    The base M3 is still $54.8k while the IS-F starts at $57.7k.
     
  15. RFX45

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    Don't get me wrong, if I had a choice between these cars (C63, ISF, M3, RS4, etc...) and money is no object, it'll be the M3 concertible in black with coral red leather interior (I believe it is fox red for the M3) but that base M3 price comes with practically nothing. However, like I said before, the standard features on the ISF is loaded and match it up with the M3, even if you keep the M3 a manual and it'll cost a lot more than the ISF easy.
     
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    Don't get me wrong, if I had a choice between these cars (C63, ISF, M3, RS4, etc...) and money is no object, it'll be the M3 concertible in black with coral red leather interior (I believe it is fox red for the M3) but that base M3 price comes with practically nothing. However, like I said before, the standard features on the ISF is loaded and match it up with the M3, even if you keep the M3 a manual and it'll cost a lot more than the ISF easy.


    And to many, the fact the IS-F is "loaded" is a turn-off, because if you're an enthusiast that wants a sports car, you appreciate options a la carte. Looking at the IS-F, it seems like it doesn't actually have a lot of options -- stuck with a metallic paint, only 2 types of leather color combos, and an option of nav/upgraded sound. Might as well actually price the two out with similar options to get a real answer to the question:

    IS-F:
    $62,560
    Nav/upgraded sound
    8-speed Automatic
    19" wheels


    M3:
    $67,225 (w/DSG), $62,575 (without DSG)
    Metallic paint
    Leather
    19" wheels
    Heated seats
    Moonroof
    Nav
    Premium sound
    iPod adapter

    So even with a manual, it's far from costing a lot more than the IS-F... $15 more. And to be honest, I'd prefer the standard 18" M3 wheels over 19s, and would skip the premium sound and iPod adapter, which you're forced to buy with the IS-F with the Nav.
     
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    Thats the thing, ISFs options are small becase most are already part of the standard features like the keyless entry/push button start, heated and colling perforated seats, 19" wheels, moonroof, etc...

    That is what I meant by comparing it side by side, feature for feature. if you add all the standard features on the ISF and add it to the M3 as an option to buy, the M3 cost more so you do get more with the ISF. And yes, i get the argument of "sports car enthusiast doesn't need bigger wheels or better sounds" but come on now, not everyone who buys an M3 will burn rubber every red light they hit. To some, maybe even to most, it is about the power it provides, the comfort and luxury. Sure both cars offers these stuff but the ISF does offer more for the money and that is Lexus' advantage and that is all I am trying to say. I admit that the M3 is a much better sport car (it hasn't been dethroned in it's segment in what, 2 decades?) and probably beat the ISF 9 out of 10 times and I would even pick it out of the lot but that wasn't the point of my post though. There is a room for the ISF in it's segment and for their first entry to the field, they did a pretty good job. I think we can both agree on that and that adds to the point that the LFA might just surprise some people here, even for the price.
     
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    Thats the thing, ISFs options are small becase most are already part of the standard features like the keyless entry/push button start, heated and colling perforated seats, 19" wheels, moonroof, etc... That is what I meant by comparing it side by side, feature for feature. if you add all the standard features on the ISF and add it to the M3 as an option to buy, the M3 cost more so you do get more with the ISF. And yes, i get the argument of "sports car enthusiast doesn't need bigger wheels or better sounds" but come on now, not everyone who buys an M3 will burn rubber every red light they hit. To some, maybe even to most, it is about the power it provides, the comfort and luxury. Sure both cars offers these stuff but the ISF does offer more for the money and that is Lexus' advantage and that is all I am trying to say. I admit that the M3 is a much better sport car (it hasn't been dethroned in it's segment in what, 2 decades?) and probably beat the ISF 9 out of 10 times and I would even pick it out of the lot but that wasn't the point of my post though. There is a room for the ISF in it's segment and for their first entry to the field, they did a pretty good job. I think we can both agree on that and that adds to the point that the LFA might just surprise some people here, even for the price.
    Well, the M3 costs the same optioned out if you don't get DSG, which I'm guessing more people than not would do, and would actually swing some people towards the BMW over the Lexus' forced auto transmission, which is why I see the Lexus competing more with the older AMGs. Also, the limited choices for leather options and paint colors might sway people over to MB or BMW. I'm all for competition, and they did a decent job for their first time in the segment. The thing with the LF-A, which likely makes it a more serious competitor, is that it is not based on an existing model and is going to be their purpose built supercar. Unlike the IS-F which, as you pointed out, is laden with options due to it being a suped up IS built to compete with M, AMG, S/RS models. But the best part of the IS-F are the cool stacked exhausts... that aren't even connected. I guess there's no option for that: [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
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    But the best part of the IS-F are the cool stacked exhausts... that aren't even connected. I guess there's no option for that: [​IMG] [​IMG]
    [​IMG] There goes your street cred.
     
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    Well, the M3 costs the same optioned out if you don't get DSG, which I'm guessing more people than not would do, and would actually swing some people towards the BMW over the Lexus' forced auto transmission, which is why I see the Lexus competing more with the older AMGs. Also, the limited choices for leather options and paint colors might sway people over to MB or BMW. I'm all for competition, and they did a decent job for their first time in the segment. The thing with the LF-A, which likely makes it a more serious competitor, is that it is not based on an existing model and is going to be their purpose built supercar. Unlike the IS-F which, as you pointed out, is laden with options due to it being a suped up IS built to compete with M, AMG, S/RS models. But the best part of the IS-F are the cool stacked exhausts... that aren't even connected. I guess there's no option for that: [​IMG]

    [​IMG]


    They are hideous, just like the Ferrari California's.
     

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