Received these a few days ago..I think these at 18oz are a little too heavy for my use and would like to get the same pair in 12oz if these sell. This pair has the articulated knee, metal shank button on the front and a zipper fly. I have not washed or soaked this pair. Measurements. Waist: 33.5" (had Ciano take down the waist 0.5" from the standard 31 size) Thigh: 24" Front rise: 10" Back rise: 14.5" Knee: 8.25 Bottom opening: 7.8 Inseam: 31.5" Price: $75 net to me plus shipping.