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Would 2nd the pre-order idea but it probably only makes sense for higher ticket items. Also just got the nylon cap shipping email!
 

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I can definitely understand being unsure about buckets selling after the wool ones sat.

For me I’d much rather wear a beanie in winter, which is why I ultimately didn’t pick up the wool one, but absolutely love buckets for summer. I only have the Pueblo one but probably have 2-3 more if they were available. Would be a great preorder item, if that was ever an option.
I'd love more pre-ordering options myself. Don't mind paying up front to make sure I snag stuff. :)

Sad that the patchwork bucket was such a small run, was really hoping to rock that with the matching shorts. Going to keep my eyes peeled on grailed for that, although it seems like they all went to friends & family so probs not going to happen.
 

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Would it be crazy to have a pre-order program? At least on some hype-type items? Like, post the sample on IG or somewhere, let people commit to buy at full deposit (plus markup for the significant inconvenience), and order those extra.

I know samples and production can vary (lmao Eidos days), and it might sort of take away from the hype a little bit. It is kinda cool to see an item on IG on Wed. and be able to (try to but not being able to) buy it on Friday.

Anyway, just musing, haven't had any luck with 18East the last 5 drops or so lol, but I'm taking it sportive. FW is my favourite seasons anyway...
Things like goreckis, shelter shorts, nylon hancocks are all things I wish I could stock up on and wear for years to come.
 

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I've got a general question here for anyone with the brown Osman jacket.

I have the sand tapiro pants which broke in very nicely after a wash or two. I wanted to break in my brown tapiro's and Osman. Would a Dry clean be a better option over a cold soak?
 

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I've got a general question here for anyone with the brown Osman jacket.

I have the sand tapiro pants which broke in very nicely after a wash or two. I wanted to break in my brown tapiro's and Osman. Would a Dry clean be a better option over a cold soak?
To break in the gauze backed material? Hot/ warm wash, in drier on high. I personally do 10mins at a time and inspect it while in the drier the first time.
 

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I do not recommend putting the osman in the wash. It's a tailored jacket and that will absolutely mess with the lapel.

We've spoke about it before but, with rare exceptions, we aren't interested in becoming a preorder business. The hat situation is a good example why.
 

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Preorders seem like such a hassle. From what I can tell it’s usually about 2 days after ordering that people start wondering why their pre ordered items haven’t shipped and start complaining.

This isn’t directed at anyone in particular or even this thread just a trend I’ve noticed across multiple Sf threads and brands.
 

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Preorders seem like such a hassle. From what I can tell it’s usually about 2 days after ordering that people start wondering why their pre ordered items haven’t shipped and start complaining.

This isn’t directed at anyone in particular or even this thread just a trend I’ve noticed across multiple Sf threads and brands.
The last two preorder things we've done (All Caps BLM and the hats) have been insanely stressful.
 

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I've got a general question here for anyone with the brown Osman jacket.

I have the sand tapiro pants which broke in very nicely after a wash or two. I wanted to break in my brown tapiro's and Osman. Would a Dry clean be a better option over a cold soak?
Absolutely agree with washing the pants, tho-that fabric has become my favorite thing to wear. Could not be a better name for those pants: EASY
 

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re: ordering, pre-ordering, and stock running out quickly

I mean, that's the game of jawns though.

I think of 18 East kinda similar to Supreme('s buying model) in a sense. Like, in the 90s when people weren't really fucking with Supreme outside of NYC/LA, it still sold out relatively fast, but stock + resell were different since it was only people that were interested in the brand and not trying to wear it for clout photos on Instagram. You could possibly stroll into a store and just pick up what you wanted, stress-free. Of course, once people started paying more attention to the brand, publications started picking up on it and pop culture started to refer to it more, everything changed for the worse forever (That's also because they sold out though. I don't see that happening to this brand).

My point is when things start getting more popular + you're still a relatively small business, it's going to take time to sustain everyone happily. It's something that you can't really deal with at a surface level because you can't truly accommodate everyone. Is it a hassle not being able to stroll into the website and buy whatever you want? Of course, but that's the reality of consumer culture in 2020. As the brand grows, I'm assuming the stock will grow along with it. However, if you're expecting something like J. Crew or GAP level stock, then you're gonna have a bad time lol.

And I don't think pre-orders work due to us being in a whole ass pandemic right now and infrastructure being incredibly fragile right now. I mean think about it. Anything can happen at any moment. For example, the factories can shut down out of nowhere. Now people have to wait however long, outside the allotted time frame, and some might ask for their money back.
 

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re: ordering, pre-ordering, and stock running out quickly

I mean, that's the game of jawns though.

I think of 18 East kinda similar to Supreme('s buying model) in a sense. Like, in the 90s when people weren't really fucking with Supreme outside of NYC/LA, it still sold out relatively fast, but stock + resell were different since it was only people that were interested in the brand and not trying to wear it for clout photos on Instagram. You could possibly stroll into a store and just pick up what you wanted, stress-free. Of course, once people started paying more attention to the brand, publications started picking up on it and pop culture started to refer to it more, everything changed for the worse forever (That's also because they sold out though. I don't see that happening to this brand).

My point is when things start getting more popular + you're still a relatively small business, it's going to take time to sustain everyone happily. It's something that you can't really deal with at a surface level because you can't truly accommodate everyone. Is it a hassle not being able to stroll into the website and buy whatever you want? Of course, but that's the reality of consumer culture in 2020. As the brand grows, I'm assuming the stock will grow along with it. However, if you're expecting something like J. Crew or GAP level stock, then you're gonna have a bad time lol.

And I don't think pre-orders work due to us being in a whole ass pandemic right now and infrastructure being incredibly fragile right now. I mean think about it. Anything can happen at any moment. For example, the factories can shut down out of nowhere. Now people have to wait however long, outside the allotted time frame, and some might ask for their money back.
Obviously not an expert on the business side and the team all knows what they're doing because it clearly works, but again, this seems to be the growing period of 18 East where demand is outpacing the supply, coupled with supply chains having slowed down due to the pandemic. Selling out in under a minute is awesome but probably a bit more stressful. I think their goal is to ultimately strike a happy medium where they can sell out, but pretty much everyone can get (most) of what they want within the first few minutes, with locals having an advantage by being able to go in store when things are back to normal. Right now it's better to err on the side of less because as a small brand they don't want to be stuck with a ton of stock that never sells, and I'm sure they're learning things with these drops (regarding the buckets).

It definitely feels like the perfect storm though, with the brand picking up traction, being noticed by GQ, and honestly being the best clothes for WFH and running errands during the pandemic. What makes the brand different from streetwear brands is that it doesn't rely on the branding, but rather the quality of the garments, the designs, the vision, and how it all comes together. It's a bit disheartening to see people trying to resell for a profit, and it's nice to see that most people are willing to part with garments for retail plus shipping fees if they don't work out.

All things considered, I do feel like the people here are able to get some of what they want, though admittedly this past drop seems like more disappointed people than usual.
 

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Buying to resell at a steep mark up before the product hasn't left our hands isn't something we'll stand for. I'm getting serious hate mail about the fact that our stuff sells out so quickly, and people copping to flip only fuel that. If we catch someone, their orders will be cancelled in perpetuity.
You should share the hate mail here for a laugh.

I made a scene when I didn’t get my XL yousef but it’s all in good fun.

although perhaps I should have soled my L yousef on gr**led...
:devil:
 

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I'm not even based in the USA but hopefully, the next step is releasing some stuff exclusively for the brick and mortar. I hate how some supreme stores have nothing to sell.
 

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I'm not even based in the USA but hopefully, the next step is releasing some stuff exclusively for the brick and mortar. I hate how some supreme stores have nothing to sell.
If we weren't in the middle of a pandemic i'd love an excuse to drive over to NYC and visit the shop... maybe after the madness is all over. Too bad with the way the US is going it'll probably be another year or more.
 

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