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13.5 oz Cone Mills Selvedge, Made in San Fransisco, and only $81? Kickstarter

Discussion in 'Streetwear and Denim' started by SparhawkJC, Jan 7, 2013.

  1. Somar

    Somar Senior member

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    Hmmm interesting, thanks for the intel!
    I though this was the case because there is not much info about the extra denim. Just that is is from 'one of the finest mills' of Japan or 'one of the finest mills' Italy. If it really was a fine mill, they would have said which one it was. That's what I thought and therefore my comment. It kinda looks a little like they're cheating with these special kinds denim!

    Something else, their whole idea runs on one huge number which made this Kickstarter such a success: $81. So why suddenly the $99?

    I'm just saying.... [​IMG]
     
  2. GusW

    GusW Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    You are drawing conclusions out of nowhere. :facepalm:
     
  3. Somar

    Somar Senior member

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    My bad... But what about :


    Quote: You have worked with denim: How do they justify a 22% increase on the promised price. Is that special denim that much more expensive? Maybe it take more hours of labour to work with?
     
  4. GusW

    GusW Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    There is no increase on the promised price. You can still get the original offered jeans for $81. If you want special limited editions they are $99. That was another concept added after the program began. Nothing wrong with charging accordingly for limited runs and premium limited availability fabrics. That cost more in time and money. If you don't like it, don't order it.
     
  5. Somar

    Somar Senior member

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    You could have said YES it is more expensive ;). But you don't know that for sure, right? You are drawing conclusion without knowing for sure [​IMG].


    But while we're at it. There IS a increase on the promised price. This is false and very clever marketing.First you say: ''WE CREATE RAW DENIM FOR 81 DOLLAR!!!!!!!!!!'' ..... And the people will come. And when people have found you, you can ask more money for ''special items''. There is nothing wrong with this concept, the whole world is doing it and I probably would have done the same. But not when there is a video and a whole kickstarter project where you claim to be as cheap as possible. Increasing your price without telling why and where these extra costs are for is dangerous and it makes people like me very annoying [​IMG].

    By the way. Ending with:

    Quote: Come on man, this is a forum dude!....
    And who said anything about liking their product, that is a whole other subject that has nothing to do with this! By the way, I like their product. I think it's perfect! But it's bullish!t to ask more money without telling the people why ;).
     
  6. GusW

    GusW Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Yes I do. Owning my own manufacturing company for 20+ years I know that doing limited production runs is more expensive. That is a fact.
     
  7. Somar

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    But they didn't do limited production runs. They found some denim here and there and called it limited!


    You know what, I'm going to ask them! :p
     
  8. barrelntrigger

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    I think you can just message the founders and ask them to justify or explain why the premium on the limited denim. I'm sure they will be happy to address your issue. They are really good at communication.
     
  9. Somar

    Somar Senior member

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    If you read one post above yours... I'm already on it. But thanks for the advice BnT. :)
     
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  10. cyc wid it

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    Didn't this get hashed out regarding Nigel Cabourn/one of the other forum discussed brands? IIRC doing limited runs by squeezing into existing production cycles is generally cheaper, but if the run is less or more than the amount that can be accommodated without affecting the existing schedule it becomes more expensive. This is does not factor in material costs. I'm guessing the "limited edition" denim is nicer than what they will offer normally. I have no real dog in this fight as I don't intend to buy anything/help with this kickstarter.
     
  11. Somar

    Somar Senior member

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    Dude! This is no fight. This is a forum! :D Just like you just did, we are also just giving our opinion.

    Tanks for your intel by the way. About that: Doesn't it depend on the product wether a limited run is more expensive or not?
     
  12. Mox C

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    There is no increase. You can get a pair of raw denim for $81, just as promised. This is no bait-and-switch.

    If I have a store and advertise a computer for $300, but also carry one for $400, is that somehow false? I still have the one for $300 available, just as advertised. If you would rather have the $400 one, that's up to you.

    Besides, most of the limited editions are sold out anyway. It's not like they only had 100 pair of the $81 denim and are trying to get everyone into the $99 offerings.
     
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  13. Somar

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    Now please don't put words in my mouth. It may look like I'm heading there but that's not my intention, I never said this was bait-and-switch!! Then again, the only factor that keeps this from being bait-and-switch, is that the original low priced product is still available. [​IMG]

    Where it comes down to is this: They didn't do anything that is against the rules. They don't trick people with their product because (I red only one review) their quality is good and they are built verry well and neat. Their price of $81 and even $99 is extremely low, believe me I know this! I even know that they are still selling the original denim for $81. It's really tiring to have to say all this extras because I just know that if I don't, people will say things that probably have a lot to do with GUSTIN but nothing with this discussion, like: ''Yeahh..Well if you don't like it, don't buy it then!'' , ''$99 is still cheap, look at the other denim manufacturers'' , ''What are you complaning about? They aren't lying of tricking anybody'', ''There is nothing wrong with their quality or product'' , ''this is no bait-and-switch'' etc. etc. etc.

    What I haven't heard is: ''Yeah so what, all companies are sneaky like this and they all would have done the same.'' Before somebody says it, here is already my answer: That's correct! They ALL do it... But I still get the freedom to point that out, right? What GUSTIN did was completely normal, but sneaky in my opinion. And it had an effect on ME. I study marketing and I know that Team GUSTIN are verry good at it, that is a fact. That is also why I have this strong opinion. What they are doing is sneaky and clever that's all I'm saying. You may call me a moralist on this subject [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
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    P.S. I sent them an e-mail with some questions and my opinion. Their reaction came with a lot of words and extra info that I didn't ask for. I didn't get an answer on my opinion and then simply: ''The answer is fabric prices.'' The explanation they gave came was just funny. I know enough!

    They are gooooood! [​IMG]
     
  15. Mox C

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    I guess we will just end up repeating ourselves, as we aren't going to change the other's mind. Just so you know, I get where you are coming from; I just have the opposite reaction and see it as a bonus rather than something sneaky.
     
  16. Somar

    Somar Senior member

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    Thank you! And we are both right because it's a matter of opinion. Say, a different way of interpretation.
     
  17. Rambo

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    Another update today - "this batch of denim sold out in 40 seconds..."

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  18. Mox C

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    Hehe. That's the one I managed to get. :D
     
  19. Timbaland

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    Somar you also have to take into account the supply and construction chain. These special denim are limited quantities and are made in separate batches. Most manufacturers will have set prices for the number of units made. Say that number is 100. If a company places a purchase order for less than 100 units, they will get 1 price. If they place a purchase order for 100 or more they will save money on every unit in the order.

    The same also applies for denim by the yard. If you buy a certain number of square yardage you will get a discount. I would not be surprised if both of these factored into the higher denim price.
     
  20. Mox C

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    Just a heads-up:

    "You wanted extra heavy selvage. We finally found it in the form of a great 18oz denim. We asked you for names. You responded, with some pretty amusing ideas, we must admit. Gustin Gonzo? The Champ? The Sledge Hammer? The Massive? Chairman of the Board? The Juuhachi? While we haven't finalized a name, we have decided that Monday is the day to start releasing this beast. As a token of our appreciation for such a big day and all your continued support, this 18oz fabric is coming your way sooner. Also, we're going to have a very decent quantity of it."

    No photo of the fabric yet, but it will go here: http://www.weargustin.com/denims
     

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