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“I Went To Wharton. It Goes Without Saying That You Should Want To F*** Me.”

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by millionaire75, Oct 11, 2007.

  1. Soph

    Soph Senior member

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    What's your hot or not rating?

    Hey honey, I'm a 8.9 on hot or not and graduated from Wharton, the #1 school. Want to go back to my place?

    A vodka martini if specified as a vodka martini is fine to order.
     
  2. Nantucket Red

    Nantucket Red Senior member

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    But do you think this guy knows the chemistry of the drink that well, or does he choose his drinks merely to try to impress? Given his record so far, my guess is the latter. That's really what I was driving at.
     
  3. RJman

    RJman Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Hey honey, I'm a 8.9 on hot or not and graduated from Wharton, the #1 school. Want to go back to my place?
    I was asking for my friend GQGeek.

    Have you voted in the most entertaining posters and rest of the most threads?
     
  4. Soph

    Soph Senior member

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    But do you think this guy knows the chemistry of the drink that well, or does he choose his drinks merely to try to impress? Given his record so far, my guess is the latter. That's really what I was driving at.

    I agree completely.

    I was asking for my friend GQGeek.

    Have you voted in the most entertaining posters and rest of the most threads?


    No, but I'll take a look.

    You do not have Eric Glennie?

    Is this guy for real or the most elaborate hoax ever? I am still torn.
     
  5. LabelKing

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    Hey honey, I'm a 8.9 on hot or not and graduated from Wharton, the #1 school. Want to go back to my place?

    A vodka martini if specified as a vodka martini is fine to order.


    Want to come up and see my etchings?
     
  6. BrettChaotix

    BrettChaotix Senior member

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    Yeah, he looks real smooth posing in a tux on what looks like a 10+ year old 3-series.

    I love that he's a Will Farrell stand in and his credit include being a sports mascot.
     
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    I really need to get rid of my 10+ year old 3-series.
     
  8. Eustace Tilley

    Eustace Tilley Senior member

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    I don't mean to insult Wharton grads, but does anyone actually believe these random magazine rankings? Everyone knows that Wharton is a honest and solid #3 - HBS and Stanford are certainly more prestigious. I remember when I worked on Wall Street a few years ago, and Wharton was the safety school. The kids who couldn't get into HBS or Stanford accepted the Wharton offers.
     
  9. gdl203

    gdl203 Senior member Dubiously Honored Affiliate Vendor

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    I don't mean to insult Wharton grads, but does anyone actually believe these random magazine rankings? Everyone knows that Wharton is a honest and solid #3 - HBS and Stanford are certainly more prestigious. I remember when I worked on Wall Street a few years ago, and Wharton was the safety school. The kids who couldn't get into HBS or Stanford accepted the Wharton offers.

    Well I'm not sure when these years were but I can tell you that things have changed a lot since then. HBS and Stanford are not considered top b-schools for careers on Wall Street. They simply don't train the best finance people, nor do they attract people with this career in mind, to be fair. There are even some Wall St banks who don't consider HBS or Stanford as "core" schools for MBA recruiting. Wharton, Columbia, Chicago and Stern are consistently the top schools for a career in i-banking. This is not a random ranking, this is based on my experience of actual recruiting.

    Doesn't mean that HBS or Stanford are not prestigious. They're very presigious and hard to get into. But b-school choice is not simply based on prestige of the institution, but also on the career direction that applicants are envisioning.
     
  10. Eustace Tilley

    Eustace Tilley Senior member

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    Well I'm not sure when these years were but I can tell you that things have changed a lot since then. HBS and Stanford are not considered top b-schools for careers on Wall Street. They simply don't train the best finance people, nor do they attract people with this career in mind, to be fair. There are even some Wall St banks who don't consider HBS or Stanford as "core" schools for MBA recruiting. Wharton, Columbia, Chicago and Stern are consistently the top schools for a career in i-banking. This is not a random ranking, this is based on my experience of actual recruiting.

    Doesn't mean that HBS or Stanford are not prestigious. They're very presigious and hard to get into. But b-school choice is not simply based on prestige of the institution, but also on the career direction that applicants are envisioning.


    It wasn't that long ago. [​IMG] And after my banking stint, I worked in private equity for 4 years, so I have some sense of the recruiting landscape. I can honestly say that not a single bank, HF or PE shop cares about 'finance training.' B-School is a joke, and simply a two-year networking and career fair, and each firm acknowledges that the stuff learned in b-school is pretty useless.

    I still have over a dozen friends all over Wall Street, and most indicated to me that HBS is always preferred over Wharton, but larger firms continue to recruit at both schools. Smaller, more exclusive firms, go only to HBS. For example, KKR and Och-Ziff (to name just two) only go on-campus to HBS and Stanford. And you have to be joking to include Stern and Chicago on that list. Not many good PE or HF firms of note go to Chicago.

    On a broader note, my intention was not to talk smack about Wharton - its a fantastic school. My point was that these lists and rankings are completely useless in the real world. WSJ, for example, has Dartmouth as #1 this year which is laughable. Not a single applicant would choose any of the schools mentioned by you over HBS or Stanford regardless of their career path (especially if its finance).
     
  11. gdl203

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    I think we had a misunderstanding over your use of the term "Wall Street". I was referring to investment banks, you seem to be referring to hedge funds and sponsors. I stand by my assessment when it comes to i-banks. I do agree with you that PE shops are quite focused on recruiting out of HBS. That's a much much smaller contingent than the number of grads recruited every year by Wall St banks though.

    Re your comment on Chicago GSB and NYU Stern, I'm not sure what to say other than you seem to be disconnected from reality if you're not aware that they're top bracket core schools for i-bank recruiting
     
  12. gdl203

    gdl203 Senior member Dubiously Honored Affiliate Vendor

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    Not a single applicant would choose any of the schools mentioned by you over HBS or Stanford regardless of their career path (especially if its finance).

    It's quite absurd to see you imply that rankings are useless, and then tell everyone that only these two top schools are worth of a b-school education. I question your logic now as much as your judgement.

    The sentence quoted above seems to disregard my point as to why preople go to business school, the career path they seek and how their b-school choice fits these goals. To give you an example, I did not even apply to HBS or Stanford when I decided to go to b-school. I was quite focused on i-banking as my post-MBA career and focused on strong finance b-schools. How does my choice reconcile with your simplistic broad-stroked statement above?
     
  13. Eustace Tilley

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    I think we had a misunderstanding over your use of the term "Wall Street". I was referring to investment banks, you seem to be referring to hedge funds and sponsors. I stand by my assessment when it comes to i-banks. I do agree with you that PE shops are quite focused on recruiting out of HBS. That's a much much smaller contingent than the number of grads recruited every year by Wall St banks though.

    Re your comment on Chicago GSB and NYU Stern, I'm not sure what to say other than you seem to be disconnected from reality if you're not aware that they're top bracket core schools for i-bank recruiting


    I meant in terms of overall prestige - the reason why i-banks tend to focus on Wharton, Columbia etc. is because they know they will lose the top HBS people to the principal investors. I'm not talking out of my a$$ here - I was on the recruiting team at Goldman, and there was an understanding that the top guys with prior Wall Street experience would opt for PE or HFs. The vast majority of people who join i-banking after b-school (as Associates) have no prior Wall Street experience. The ones who joined as analysts, do a two-year stint in IB and follow that up with PE or HF and then b-school. And then, like any smart group of people, they do not come back into banking.

    The question was in terms of prestige, not i-banking recruiting, unless you're actually 'disconnected from reality' in believing that i-banking is the cool thing on Wall Street these days. Chicago (and maybe Stern) probably have more i-bankers than Harvard or Stanford, but that's not because they're better or more prestigious as some random set of rankings may imply.
     
  14. Eustace Tilley

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    It's quite absurd to see you imply that rankings are useless, and then tell everyone that only these two top schools are worth of a b-school education.

    Sigh - I never said that - I said that the rankings that place Wharton or Dartmouth as #1 have no basis in reality as the vast majority (there I changed it - I'm sure there are a few others like you) of applicants place the schools as follows: Harvard, Stanford, Wharton etc. etc.

    I repeat - anyone who gets into Wharton or Columbia or Chicago is a very smart person worthy of respect. I'm simply saying the rankings are useless.
     
  15. gdl203

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    I meant in terms of overall prestige - the reason why i-banks tend to focus on Wharton, Columbia etc. is because they know they will lose the top HBS people to the principal investors. I'm not talking out of my a$$ here - I was on the recruiting team at Goldman, and there was an understanding that the top guys with prior Wall Street experience would opt for PE or HFs. The vast majority of people who join i-banking after b-school (as Associates) have no prior Wall Street experience. The ones who joined as analysts, do a two-year stint in IB and follow that up with PE or HF and then b-school. And then, like any smart group of people, they do not come back into banking.

    The question was in terms of prestige, not i-banking recruiting, unless you're actually 'disconnected from reality' in believing that i-banking is the cool thing on Wall Street these days. Chicago (and maybe Stern) probably have more i-bankers than Harvard or Stanford, but that's not because they're better or more prestigious as some random set of rankings may imply.


    I prefer not to respond to this ET. You seem to be getting more insulting and condescending with each post... I'm confused by your motivations to disparage a whole career choice along with a number of schools (despite you prefacing that it's not your intent, that's exactly what you're doing here...) [​IMG]
     
  16. Eustace Tilley

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    I prefer not to respond to this ET. You seem to be getting more insulting and condescending with each post... I'm confused by your motivations to disparage a whole career choice along with a number of schools (despite you prefacing that it's not your intent, that's exactly what you're doing here...) [​IMG]

    You can choose to read my post again - I apologize if it came across as condescending as it was not meant to be. To repeat, I was an i-banker and think its a profession filled with very smart and driven people. I don't even work on Wall Street anymore but work for a congolomerate in the Midwest, so I'm not disparaging anyone or any profession.

    If you do actually work on Wall Street then I'm sure you'll agree with my statements on how the analyst-associate progression typically works.
     
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    Very rarely do PE firms touch Chicago. But that's because they mainly recruit from Harvard and Stanford. Chicago probably has the most people I've seen in the hedge fund sector (although most people working at a hedge fund don't have an MBA). I don't know what the heck you're talking about if you say there aren't many reputable funds that go there. I've also never heard anyone say that Wharton was a safety school many years ago, especially since it was a joke to get into an MBA program many years ago to begin with.

    But Harvard and Stanford are still top notch for banking and I have yet to see a single banking analyst choose Stern over Harvard, or even Columbia.

    I'm going to quit one day and start my own Orange Julius.
     
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  19. Soph

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    I'm going to quit one day and start my own Orange Julius.

    [​IMG]

    Too bad Stern doesn't teach copy / paste on photoshop[​IMG] One of my best friends, UofC, has just started his own hedge fund. He says now he's finally made it. The best trader he's seen is 29 and made an est. 15 million last year with no MBA nor the industry supported SAT, the CFA which he calls this guy his "son" if you will. He says the MBA allowed him to be an entry level "slave" to the industry in order to get to do his own HF. I've never seen a guy so excitied in my life.
     
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    My dad always used to tell me that when he went to Penn there was a sign above the toilet paper roll in one of the bathrooms that said "Wharton Degrees - Take one" [​IMG]
     

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