APC New Standard Jeans

So what's the new golden standard? What's the issue with the NS?

+1 to the above. What would be the next "step up" raw denim jean with similar fit?

The manufacturing really does not seem to be up to the same standards as they used to be - more dropped stitches, things loose and hanging threads, a seam that actually busted wide open (below the knee, so there was not even a lot of tension there. Trims were definitely cheaper on my last couple of pairs.

I think that the new "gold standard" is the RRL slim fit, which actually fits not unlike the new standard, though these days, I prefer to use them as my more relaxed jeans, and size down just 1. Hey, even the same vanity sizing! The denim is nice, but not great, and there are the nice touches like hidden rivets and tailored belt loops. At $230 retail, they are a lot nicer than APC at $175 retails.

A step up would be the Triple Works slim fit, which, at $275, is honestly, one of the best jeans at that price. Denim is a wearable 15 ounces. The color is deep, nearly black grey, and ages well, and there are a lot more bells and whistles. Trim levels are good, with brass donut buttons, lined back pockets, hidden rivets, etc..., and the make is very nice. The taper is fairly severe though. Put it this way. I have "regular" muscular calves, and I need to put on my socks before my jeans, because there is no way a 14" opening (on a size 32) is going over my calves.

You can find RRL lots of places, but never click to order. Blue Owl and Mortar both carry Triple Works.

RRL slim fit is great but honestly I cannot pay that much for jeans. Thats insane. Some of their jeans cost as much as $300. You can get a good pair of Diesel jeans for $150. Diesel may not be 5-stars but they are definitely a 4-star jean company. I've had some of their jeans for 5+ years and they look and feel great like they did on day-1. Also consider J Brand. Not as good as Diesel but a good buy especially since they go on sale on the time. My advice with J Brand is to watch the back butt as it typically fits weird.

Does Diesel make raw denim? I think OP was comparing raw selvedge.

well since you guys are already discussing other brands, what do you think about naked and famous denim?

@Cornelius, diesel makes raw denim the code for raws is 8Y9

@corneliusparky Yes they do make Raw denim. I've never bought it; I thought it was too tight. I purchased J Brand Raw denim though.

Thing about A.P.C. is (and hence all the ******* threaks), the sizing is just ******* marsupialed! If you size down to exact waist, they stretch too much, but it you go one inch moar down, and wash them, they are too tight! *Head in hand.

@JapanAlex01 I noticed you said something about sizing. Do you have any experience with J brand? My sizing seems to have streched like crazy since my initial purchase..

For those who love the New Standard fit, the Epaulet Smith has identical measurements. BTW Does anyone have experience with these?

Purchase date: September 1998?? Fok is O.G.

dieselman89: No, no experience! Yeah, I had to wash my A.P.C.s to stop them from stretching more! I might buy 29" (as I am ~32"), so that they will stretch, but don't know if can be arsed with risk/dedication! :/

They're still my favorite cut, but yes the whole made-in-macao thing does not bode well.

@ JapanAlex01 my concern with my J Brands is that they are a raw denim and I still haven't really decided that I am ready not to have them continue to fad. Meaning once you wash them they loose that "raw" texture.

I let my NS die and have since started a sublte addiction to RRL. Slim are cut similar to NS and low strait are pretty much rescues.

I saw RRL over here (NL) for €270,–. APC NS is €125,–. I would definitely try RRL if the price difference was the same as in the US, but paying more than twice as much for them—would they be worth it?

@dieselman89, I've had a few pairs of J Brands, they fade extremely quickly and the crotch busted faster than any other pair of jeans I've owned. This was a few years ago but from what I've seen in stores it doesn't look any better. At $60-80 the price isn't bad but I would not recommend them.

Does anyone have issues with the NS rise. I find it to be too low; when I sit I my crack shows.