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Z Zegna Suits

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by ofKAWS, Jan 5, 2012.

  1. ofKAWS

    ofKAWS Member

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    Here is a new question, is it better to go to suit places and buy brand name suits and get a complimentary alteration or is it better to get a suit tailored to my exact fit with good quality fabrics ? both at the same price too

     
  2. Klobber

    Klobber Well-Known Member

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    Entry level bespoke in western hemisphere would probably start at beyond your listed budget. Then there is the issue of finding that tailor within driving distance ...

    Go RTW / MTM, sizing up to 36 is not recommended but a 46 EU size is often a size smaller than 36 US equivalent. Some brands may be close to the 34US you desire. Go try on a bunch of 46EU suits and see where you go...

    Either that or stick to 34 strict / go MTM.
     
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  3. razl

    razl Well-Known Member

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    The question is not new, it's only new to you. It's practically the reason SF exists. Lurk, search, and read more. You have just unknowingly stepped into a new world, most of the your answers are but clicks away...


    ps - bookmark your post to come back to in 2 years, you'll understand then.
     
  4. Master-Classter

    Master-Classter Well-Known Member

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    BTW, as of a few days ago, Harry's on Bloor has a navy sportscoat Z-Zegna drop 8 model in a 34r marked down to about $800... more than I'd pay but just FYI since the size (and sales at Harry's) are hard to come by.


    Where are you located? I'm a small guy and know Toronto so can help you look around since I know all the spots that have stuff that fit us (I'm a 34r-36s too).


    Read around these:
    http://www.styleforum.net/t/68936/clothes-for-the-short-guy-stores-brands-lines-websites
     
  5. bjan

    bjan Well-Known Member

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    Holt Renfrew has 20% off sale items this weekend - might be worth a look.
     
  6. ofKAWS

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    im willing to drive anywhere in toronto or gta for a good find for sure, i was just at the missisauga square one harry rosen and the salesperson sold me on the z zegna suit but doing further research and asking around about the suits, I've come to the conclusion there are much better finds out there than a z zegna suit for 1000$ , but if u would know any places in toronto that would be very helpful
     
  7. deepitm

    deepitm Well-Known Member

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    There is very little love on SF for Z Zegna, but I think that's kind of dumb. While it's true that Zegna construction is not great, this is StyleForum not QualityofConstrurctionForum. And Zegna cuts are very stylish and particularly great if you have a trim figure. However, as others have indicated, Z Zegna (like almost everything) goes on sale. I have picked up a Z Zegna suit for $400 on sale. However, I would say that there is just less Zegna out in the world, which inherently makes it harder to find on sale as opposed to a brand as ubiquitous as Boss. I don't think a Zegna suit if properly taken care of is going to wear out fast on you. Samuelsohn is nice though and MTM would be good for you given your size. I do think Sameulsohn MTM is better than Z Zegna because fully canvassed MTM isn't getting any cheaper than the ~$1000 that was quoted earlier in this thread. I think if you can't afford to wait and find Z Zegna on sale, then getting the Samuelsohn is a good bet.

    FYI Yoox usually has some Z Zegna, but I don't think I've ever seen 34's on there.
     
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  8. Birks and Grey Socks

    Birks and Grey Socks Well-Known Member

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    I live in Canada too. What Americans may not realize is that our menswear costs 75-100% more. Try AEs for $450-$475. Hugo Boss suits for $1100, on sale for $800.

    But to the OP, Harry Rosen outlet in T.O. has better suits for $1000. If you don't live near that, go get a Samuelshon or take a vacation in the States. Many better suits for $400-500 in places like NMLC, Saks off 5th, Nordstrom rack. For your $1000, you can almost fly to NYC and buy a nice suit from Century 21, and get free airfare out of it.

    OTOH, Samuelsohn is one of the very few things cheaper in Canada than it is in the US. I've seen their suits go for under $1000 regularly up here. Hary has a MTM suit promotion right now for $1000. I'd rather get that for my money. I think it's made by Coppley.

    Save your money, I've seen Coppley suits on sale for $500 in canada and they're at least similar quality as Z Zegna. I do own a Z Zegna BTW, it's decent but nowhere near worth $1000
     
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  9. othertravel

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    Exactly. It's shocking to see a NWT Canali suit on the forum for $500 when they're well north of 1k in Canada (on sale!).
     
  10. Gossage Consult

    Gossage Consult New Member

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    I have told by top end tailors in Venice that the the cloth for the best Zegna and Brioni suits, sports jackets and trousers are made
    by thee same mills in Italy. The difference is the lining, drape, padding, service of retail store and personal preferences of the buyer name and reputation of the store.

    E. Gossage
    Gossage Consultancy
    Gritti Palace
    Venezia
     
  11. Birks and Grey Socks

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    I know. I was in DC last month. Got a Canali summer blazer for $1395 marked down to $125 at Nordstrom Rack at Pentagon city. :D:D:D:D Here it would be $1600-1800 retail, marked down to maybe $900 on sale.

    I think I explicitly travel to the US at least 2-3 times a year, every time I need a few more wardrobe pieces. What I save usually pays for the hotel and airfare.

    OTOH, sometimes the Canadian gods will smile on us, like a $99 Etro unstructured blazer at Harry Rosen Outlet in Mississauga :D
     
  12. cbbuff

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    For the Zegna Couture or Su Misura perhaps. Being discussed is Z Zegna, a lower end line (and fused, I believe). That said, Z Zegna does have nice cloth and cuts, just not great construction.
     
  13. Coronaeus

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    I was asking similar questions about 2 years ago.

    Before i knew a little more about what I was doing, i paid full Canadian retail for a Hugo Boss suit (black no less!).

    With a little research I realized that I could get much more for my 1000$ elsewhere in the city. I'm a little bigger than you are, but have found that at the price point you are looking at, Samuelsohn MTM is a great option. I also really enjoy my Brooks Brothers 1818 Fitzgerald suits. I was originally drawn to Hugo Boss and Z Zegna stuff because of the cuts. The 1818 Fitzgerald is close enough in cut to be similar (and actually much nicer), and easily twice the quality. When i bought mine, I got a 2 for ($1500 or so) deal which meant I added a solid Navy and solid Charcoal suit to my wardrobe in one fell swoop. They have held up well in the year+ I've had them. The Brooks Brothers store is down near Union Station and has this kind of deal fairly regularly I believe.

    While I have not been there in a long time, Gotstyle on Bathurst near Wellington is now selling Cerruti for about $1200 I've been told. I have never seen these in person, but am told they are fully canvased and have a cut that would not be too dissimilar from what you probably like about Boss and Z Zegna. If quality is not too important, and you won't be wearing your suit all that often, you can buy 2 Cinque suits at Gotstyle for about a grand. I think they are pretty much indistinguishable from Hugo Boss for half the retail price. Actually, everything else they sell is pretty much Boss-like and should be treated as such.

    Good luck.
     
  14. Ivon

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    I'm not familiar with Gotstyle, where exactly are they and what lines do they carry? I usually wear mainline Zegna suits and they fit me very well off the rack. I looked at a Z Zegna suit for travel, wanted to try a more current cut. Construction was meh and the cloth was bo grade or two below mainline, but they were cut small for the labeled size. I could barely button the suit jacket in my mainline size, I didn't even bother with the pants. It was overpriced for what it was, nice cut though. Probably going Samuelson MTM for a travel suit when the truck rolls into FCP unless Gotstyle has something of interest for me.
     
  15. Coronaeus

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    Gotstyle is at 62 Bathurst.

    They carry a whole pile of stuff that would in no way match your mainline Zegna suits. Off the top of my head: T-Concept (Tombolini's Z Zegna), Cinque, Paul Betenley (sp?), Strellson, Ted Baker, Tiger of Sweden and the like. All slightly cheaper than the Boss's you find at Harry Rosen and of the same general quality construction wise. None of them worth the savings (if any) over Brooks Brothers or Samuelsohn in my opinion. I think Gotstyle is really oriented to the younger non-traditional guy who wants a suit that is cut very slim, but for whom quality is not really a primary concern.

    Other than the Cerruti, Sand is the only thing priced a little higher than 1K at Gotstyle (as I remember). Their suits are a little on the wild side, and I've no sense of the quality. Seems a popular brand in the city though. The Coop carries truckloads of the stuff.

    I was in a few of the Yonge street shops North of Eglinton recently (Jerome's, Ermanno, Coop, Testa Uomo). Ermanno carries a 1500$ range offering (Tombolini I think?). Testa Uomo seems to have a lot of Pal Zileri, and I assume at a similar price. Actually, Testa Uomo's new digs are really quite nice. I remember seeing Boss, Pal Zileri, Canali, Armani, Tombolini at the store when I dipped in quickly to escape the rain.

    On a side note, has anyone checked out Stollery's recently? Is there anything there worth the visit? Last time I was there i was shown a Daks suit that looked to be about 10 years old... and a suit with the name Jaguar on it that I was assured was of the finest quality.
     
  16. Ivon

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    Thanks Coronaeus for the heads up on Gotstyle, will have a peek. Back in the day Cerruti 1881 suits were the top Euro brand. Think Brosnan in his Remington Steel days, I believe he wore 1881 suits. I bought a Barbour at Stollery's this fall and checked put the store. Still very Brit trad, 70s style merchandising. Mainstream Brit stuff, mid tier. Daks, Aquascutum, Derek Rose, Scottish cashmere sweaters, boaoads of Viyella shirts a d Barbour. Interesting items were Magee of Donegal tweed jackets and Jaguar (as in the car) brand suits, they looked nice, can't vouch for the quality. Prices are a bit high for what the stuff is, but. They are known to prices to off load the old stock, ymmv with what they choose to unload. SAs are very old school aggressive, they sell, not advise.

    I think it's the only place in town to get a Haspel seersucker suit, an American icon imo. Definitely not the place for slim cut suits. Worth a look.
     
  17. sky82

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    wow... just want to say just by reading this thread ive learned alot. i actually own a zzegna suit which my ex got me a discount on while we were together (she worked at holts) but now i went back to holts recently and i saw my same suit in a charcole grey and i really wanted it and was willing to pay full pop becuase i loved the cut. but now reading im reconcidering. yes i love the zzegna and boss cut period but also wanted a quality suit. but at the same time i treat my zzegna as if it was my own skin and pamper it when i do wear it for its my first investment into a suit and i hope to have many more.

    thanks everyone for sharing the 2cents and knowledge. definitely helps a young kid like me understand clothing more.
     
  18. bigtimebuck4

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    Anyone know much about Canali Proposta? Is it similar quality to Z Zegna or better/worse? I can't find much information about it on the net and the only posts on here are 8+ years old.
     
  19. othertravel

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    Isn't it half canvassed?
     
  20. bigtimebuck4

    bigtimebuck4 Well-Known Member

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    the thread on here from 2004 (yes, 2004) had a post from someone who owned one and said it was fully canvassed. They said it was same quality, just a more modern style. Don't know if that was true and even if it was, perhaps it has changed by now.
     

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