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Woody Allen as a style icon

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by radicaldog, Sep 18, 2010.

  1. Sartorial1

    Sartorial1 Well-Known Member

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    It's a well developed style.
    It's not as thrown together as it looks.
    It's not a style I appreciate.
     
  2. radicaldog

    radicaldog Well-Known Member

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    I don't feel comfortable weighing in on the rest. But I think Manton is correct in his referene to the United States of America as America. United States of America The name is America. The other words are modifiers; they refer to the largest of the "administrative divisions" within the country. United Kindon of Great Britain The name is Great Britain. Again, the other words are modifiers.
    There isn't a continent called 'Britain'. Anyway I admit that my initial remark was a bit pedantic. It's just that, as I said, when uttered by right-wing Americans, that word makes me think of the whole "America, right or wrong" mindset. As I said, it's probably just a bit idiosyncratic of me.
     
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    There isn't a continent called 'Britain'.

    Anyway I admit that my initial remark was a bit pedantic. It's just that, as I said, when uttered by right-wing Americans, that word makes me think of the whole "America, right or wrong" mindset. As I said, it's probably just a bit idiosyncratic of me.

    There isn't a continent called America.
    There is North America.
    There is South America.
     
  4. voxsartoria

    voxsartoria Well-Known Member

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    Would is it about Allen's slobbishness that appeals to you?

    There is absolutely nothing preppy about how he dresses. In fact, if you correct for his age, he might as well be in crocs and dockers.


    - B
     
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    There isn't a continent called America.
    There is North America.
    There is South America.

    Dude, please.
     
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    It's just that, as I said, when uttered by right-wing Americans, that word makes me think of the whole "America, right or wrong" mindset. As I said, it's probably just a bit idiosyncratic of me.
    When I use the word America,
    that is not my mindset.
    But in my part of the country,
    there are many who express themselves that way.
     
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    Sartorial1 Well-Known Member

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    Lets just talk about Woody.
    Please.

    Dude, please.

    I would ask that you not call me Dude.

    I'll answer to my member name,
    to Robert,
    or to Trip.
     
  8. voxsartoria

    voxsartoria Well-Known Member

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    Dude, please.

    You know, Arctica and Antartica.


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  9. radicaldog

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    I don't see him as East Coast Prep at all, though having grown up and lived on the west coast my entire life, I don't know that I know what it is. I see him as typical Liberal Arts Professor style, or at least a carefully constructed caricature of that. I almost like it, but I don't.

    Yes, those pics aren't ideal to make the point I wanted to make. But I suppose my point was that he manages to use a lot of elements of preppy without looking prep (e.g. his clothes in most movies from his golden era are Ralph Lauren). I do agree that his style is close to that of a stereotypical humanities/social sciences academic (a style closely related to prep in many ways, of course), but still I see it as somewhat more urban and less caricatural. Admittedly I can't quite put my finger on why, though. I may be wrong at the end of the day.
     
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    voxsartoria Well-Known Member

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    Lets just talk about Woody.
    Please.


    I think that the term "pedo putz" is a good place to start.


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  11. PTWilliams

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    Thanks guy's I have rather enjoyed this exchange, in a sort of vicarious way, being too shy myself to jump into the fray. Woody Allen has "branded" a certain persona: frumpy, Jewish, neurotic, and I have usually enjoyed his movies. I don't think I would aspire to his look, but then again there is much casual wear at this site that seems to deviate from well-groomed look. I personally prefer a "Holland and Holland" country look. or I think I saw a recent RLBL posting of preppy attire that I think looked great. It could be that radical dog gravitates to the whole "Woody Allen " persona, since I assume that "Radicaldog" and "Woody Allen" are on the same political page, for example in support of Obama regardless of where he was born, his religion, whom his handlers are, his indifference to the voting rights of White people, his stewardship of the economy to bring down unemployment, or his successes in Afghanistan. This forum is about fashion and I’m not about to use this tread to insert my own political views. I may be a little jealous that my Ex-wife didn’t have a stepdaughter that I could have included as part of my retirement portfolio, but I don’t let that influence my opinion of Allen’s dress. Frankly though, I can’t imagine anyone complementing Woody Allen on his dress, and I kind of think that Woody Allen might take offense to anyone telling him he dresses well.

    Radicaldog says he is an academic, and there is a tendency to receive approval from other fellow travelers by putting down conservative America, and so in an open forum one might forget that people may have strong opinions in the opposite direction. It would seem from Radicaldogs original post was that his admiration of Woody Allen was that fact that Allen was making a statement that he wasn’t a right-winger or a banker, rather than an appreciation of his clothing. And in the words of that great liberal cause-celebe, Rodney King “Why can’t we all just get along”, and not try to bait others into harsh words.
     
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    You know, Arctica and Antartica.
    Oh yes.
    I've been warned about your humor.
     
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    There isn't a continent called America.
    There is North America.
    There is South America.


    Very interesting:

    By most standards, there are a seven continents - Africa, Antarctica, Asia, Australia, Europe, North America, and South America. Most students in the United States are taught that there are seven continents.

    European Division of Continents

    In Europe and other parts of the world, many students are taught of six continents, where North and South America are combined to form a single continent of America. Thus, these six continents are Africa, America, Antarctica, Asia, Australia, and Europe.

    Many scientists now refer to six continents, where Europe and Asia are combined (since they're one solid geologic landmass). Thus, these six continents are Africa, Antarctica, Australia, Eurasia, North America, and South America.
    *

    I'm sure someone has written a paper about the politics of this distinction in geography education.

    * http://geography.about.com/od/learna...continents.htm
     
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    Styleforum, where America goes to learn geography.
     
  15. voxsartoria

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    Don't forget Atlantis, from whose loins sprang both a mighty ocean and the home of edinatlanta.


    - B
     
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    You know, Arctica and Antartica.

    "Artica" -- [​IMG]
    Many natural wonders.
    But, not one penguin!

    Antartica -- [​IMG]
     
  17. Bull

    Bull Well-Known Member

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    Let me take you through it.

    1. Mia Farrow and AndrÃ[​IMG] Previn adopt a seven year old Korean girl named Soon-Yi.

    [​IMG]

    - B


    Oh shit...Koreans look like babies up to age 7(?) Remarkable...

    Stupidity aside, Woody Allen is my favorite director other than Wes Anderson. Their films make the world a better place. And Woody Allen supports the Manhattan (not Ground Zero) interfaith community center (not a mosque), so I am, by definition, down with the Woodster.
     
  18. voxsartoria

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    Oh shit...Koreans look like babies up to age 7(?) Remarkable...


    [​IMG]

    Pedo Putz has made some good flics...I rank him in the top four of pedophiliac directors.


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    Would is it about Allen's slobbishness that appeals to you?

    There is absolutely nothing preppy about how he dresses. In fact, if you correct for his age, he might as well be in crocs and dockers.


    - B


    Not quite sure what it is. Perhaps some sense of authenticity. And of stubborn, relaxed comfort. Of reasonable indifference to what's around him. Or maybe it's just my affinity with his persona, in which case this threak was pretty worthless even before the whole Manton stink.

    Yes, I don't think that the way he dresses is preppy. But a lot of his clothes, taken as single garments, are preppy, or at least preppy-compatible. I'm thinking especially about the way he used to dress forty years ago (can't find good pics, but we've all seen the pics). Tweed coat, chinos, shetland sweater, checked shirt or OCBD, deck shoes: see what I'm getting at?

    As for the crocs, I wish most people his age dressed like that.
     
  20. Sartorial1

    Sartorial1 Well-Known Member

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    In Europe and other parts of the world, many students are taught of six continents, where North and South America are combined to form a single continent of America. Thus, these six continents are Africa, America, Antarctica, Asia, Australia, and Europe.
    We were taught six as well. [​IMG]
    Africa,
    Antartica,
    Australia
    Eurasia
    North America
    South America​

    But what this is telling me,
    is that rather than discuss Woody's style,
    you would rather argue.
     

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