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Except, your analysis depends completely on the spots you select to measure the values for. The eyes are better at telling the story here:

In fact, for any outfit, studying it in grayscale is a useful exercise. Helps you understand brightness and contrast more directly.

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The problem with this is that you've projected out all of the variance. If you look at the color values, the difference from the grey line of two of them isn't terribly great, however the vector differences between the colors obviously are. You can grey scale it all you want, but you lose information, and the information you've lost makes you wrong. We could also look at this in HSV, which would also show the problem with your analysis.

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Also, the area of the square is roughly divided up evenly amongst the four colors, so the averages for each should not be terribly far off. I could compute an average color vector for each of the sections, but that's really unnecessary to get the point across.

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My eyes tell me that I'm looking at four different levels of darkness. And while I didn't like the color version, the B&W is something I really like. In the B&W, it seems to me that the square sits nicely between the tie and the coat and helps transition between the two. I don't think it plays that role at all in the color version.

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Apparently the results of eyes are contradictory. That would seem to make them less effective.

7. ### Patrick RWell-Known Member

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I wouldn't say "less effective," but I would say that it helps explain differences in opinions on the fit.

When I squint or otherwise blur my vision, the four darkness levels in the B&W picture become even more apparent. I don't know how wise it would be for me to claim that the more I move towards blindness the more it supports my perspective!

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What a clusterfuck. :lol:

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We need Foo on Pink (I love both looks).

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The inherent limitations of 2D pictorial media having shown themselves in the (chillingly bizarre) post mortem above, and with a nod to the general aura and savoir-faire that a good fit exudes in person (often transcending mean little incongruities like "wrong" colors or "pattern density"), I move that all future entries be submitted in the form of live video. Of course, those that can afford a camera crew will be blamed for having an unfair advantage...

Oh, yeah, that Fresco stuff upthread looked good.

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Just to be a jerk (after being impressed with the technicality of mktits): the actual curves are going to differ depending on the camera model and the processing software used.

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Indubidibly. However, we're talking about the image as is and I don't think GIMP and photoshop will do a terribly different job at color grabbing. Edit: Specifically, thinking about it (obviously) because the color coordinates of each pixel should be directly computable from the compressed file.

This is totally correct though.

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Sometimes, however, the eyes lie. Hips, on the other-hand, do not lie.

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Doh.

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I'm trying to think of the appropriate emoticon with which to respond to this.

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How in the hell did I do that twice? Ok, now it's time for bed for me.

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18. ### ClaghornWell-Known Member

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Indeed, though I was referring to the camera firmware.

Also, how do we not have an emoticon with a monocle and top hat? I mean, really. That would easily be one of the most used emoticons on this forum.

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Only on SF would camera firmware become part of the analysis of a fit.

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Dear Lord I hope you nerds are enjoying yourselves.

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