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What do you consider to be good food?

Discussion in 'Health & Body' started by marc37, Jun 23, 2004.

  1. marc37

    marc37 Well-Known Member

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    lt was a long time ago. l got a laboritory to take out the tests. l wanted proof that sprouted juices were more nutritous than vegie juices. l also tested afew seeds.
     
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    if the sign says "laboritory" i recommend going someplace else
     
  3. marc37

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    T4phage needs to drink a dailey wheatgrass juice to add some nutrition to his severley lacking diet. He has been acting alittle funny today, these are the first signs.

    Poor nutrition = disease.
     
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    T4phage Well-Known Member

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    Was the lab run by Heckle and Jeckel? Or by Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck? [​IMG]
     
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    Shoomaster b8man wrote:
    What's your excuse then?
     
  6. T4phage

    T4phage Well-Known Member

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    T4phage needs to drink a dailey wheatgrass juice to add some nutrition to his severley lacking diet. He has been acting alittle funny today, these are the first signs. Poor nutrition = disease.
    What's your excuse then?
    "Common symptoms include diarrhea, itch, pain, fatigue, soreness of the shoulder, fever, etc. These symptoms appear more frequently in patients suffering long term or more serious illnesses, and symptoms may repeat several times. Each episode may last 3-7 days, but sometimes it may last one month, or even worse over 6 months" From: Skeptic Dictionary... Urine Therapy.
     
  7. marc37

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    Most people l have given chlorella (green algae) to have not had a cold in years [even if they had cold regularly previously]. l used to get colds around 3 times a year. Since taking chlorella and having raw grasses, sprouts and weeds, l haven't been sick for many years.......l wonder how many colds T4phage gets????? [​IMG] l bet he has his fair share. [​IMG] Regards: Ann Wigmores understudy.
     
  8. marc37

    marc37 Well-Known Member

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    (RJMan @ June 23 2005,17:31) Shoomaster b8man wrote: Quote T4phage needs to drink a dailey wheatgrass juice to add some nutrition to his severley lacking diet. He has been acting alittle funny today, these are the first signs. Poor nutrition = disease.
    What's your excuse then?
    "Common symptoms include diarrhea, itch, pain, fatigue, soreness of the shoulder,  fever, etc. These symptoms appear more frequently in patients suffering long term or  more serious illnesses, and symptoms may repeat several times. Each episode may last  3-7 days, but sometimes it may last one month, or even worse over 6 months" From: Skeptic Dictionary... Urine Therapy.[/quote] lnteresting article on urine. One thing l do have to say about the Vitamin C excess [that they mentioned about], is that their theorey here is alittle off. We have to remember the vitamin C retention is very short (maybe 1-2 hours). So our needs for vitamin C are always oncoming, therefore deficiences can easily arise. lt's best to have too much than too little nutrients. Especially if they are taken safely.
     
  9. marc37

    marc37 Well-Known Member

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    Drinking freshly squeezed wheatgrass juice [in the morning and before dinner if you can]will definately make it easier to cut down on the cigarettes. The grass will neutralize all the toxins in the cigarettes and add ample nutrition to your blood.
    How?  How?  Marc, don't give statements as fact. Back it up with real scientific evidence  How does wheatgrass juice neutralize the free radicals? What components of wheatgrass in SUFFICIENT AMOUNTS could make a difference?
    What is ironic? Your blind insistance that wheatgrass/algae have such nutrients in any meaningful quantities?        Wheatgrass    Amounts in common cooked foods      (Seven 3.5 gm tablets) Protein     860 mg    2,300 mg in 1/2 cup cooked broccoli Beta carotene  1,668 IU   20,253 IU in one raw carrot Vit. B12    0.05 mcg    1 mcg in 8 oz 2% milk Calcium    15 mg      89 mg in 1/2 cup cooked broccoli Magnesium  3.9 mg      47 mg in 1/2 cup cooked broccoli Phosphorus  3.9 mg     37 mg in 1/2 cup cooked broccoli Iron      0.87 mg     2.2 mg in one cup cooked macaroni from: NCAHF Wheatgrass Therapy Furthermore (from the same article): "Wigmore theorized that rotting food in the intestine forms toxins that circulate in the bloodstream (aka, the intestinal toxicity theory) and cause cancer [2]. She taught that the life span of the wheatgrass juice was less than three hours, so it had to be cut from growing plants, juiced and consumed fresh. She speculated that the enzymes found in raw wheatgrass were alive and could "detoxify" the body by oral ingestion and by enemas. Wheatgrass is prepared by sprouting wheat berries and growing them until they form chlorophyll. It was the chlorophyll in wheatgrass that enthused Wigmore. She called chlorophyll "the life blood of the planet." Wigmore believed that cooking foods "killed" them because this deactivates enzymes. She held that the moment the "sacred" 7.4 acid-alkaline balance (the same as human blood) is "killed" that its effectiveness would be reduced [3]. (For information on exaggerations about the similarities between hemoglobin and chlorophyll see NCAHF's statement on chlorophyll.) Enzymes are complex protein molecules produced by living organisms exclusively for their own use in promoting chemical reactions. Orally ingested enzymes are digested in the stomach and have no enzymatic activity in the eater. Enzymes do not fulfill the biological criteria for living things, because they do not: (1) consist of cellular units; (2) possess reproductive ability; (3) demonstrate irritability; (4) carry on metabolism; or, (5) grow. (Fuller HJ. The Plant World New York: Henry Holt & Co., 1956, pp.6-7). .......The fact that grass-eating animals are not spared from cancer, despite their large intake of fresh chlorophyll, seems to have been lost on Wigmore.  fact, chlorophyll cannot "detoxify the body" since it is not absorbed [4]. Although it is conceivable that enzymes present in rectally-administered wheatgrass juice could have chemical activity, there is no evidence that this is beneficial. In fact, when challenged legally, Wigmore backed away from healing claims stating that she merely had an "educational program" to teach people how to "cleanse" their bodies and make vegetable juices (she also offered for sale a variety of juicers and other "health" paraphernalia). [5] In 1988, the Massachusetts Attorney General sued Wigmore for claiming that her "energy enzyme soup" could cure AIDS [6]. Suffolk County Judge Robert A. Mulligan ruled that Wigmore's views on how to combat AIDS were protected by the First Amendment, but ordered her to stop representing herself as a physician or as a person licensed in any way to treat disease. This was not the first time Wigmore had run afoul of the law. In 1982, the Attorney General of Massachusetts sued Wigmore for claiming that her program could reduce or eliminate the need for insulin in diabetics, and could obviate the need for routine immunization in children. She abandoned those claims after losing in court. MARC, read that article.
    Make sure you only post the thumbnails... pg. 27 is ridiculous Marc.. repost the images using the thumbnails
    Actually this irony can be explained. Eventhough, the cooked foods seem to contain higher nutrition (which l doubt anyway), it has to be remembered that with wheatgrass, it is very easily absorbed (much easier than cooked food), therefore your dailey needs are less anyway. When your food is cooked: all of the food enzymes are killed, protein is destroyed [in large amounts], vitamins are destroyed, this is why you need to eat more. A big problem with the study was that they only used 3.5 grams of dry wheatgrass tablets. THEY DIDN'T USE FRESH ORGANIC WHEATGRASS JUICE. What you have posted doesn't have a whole lot of validity... lf you serve equivalent weight for vegies and wheatgrass, wheatgrass will always win hands down. You have to be careful of nutrition charts, they can be misleading. And another thing, l mentioned that wheatgrass was 65% crude chlorophyll. l made a typing mistake because l intended to say was "65% of the SOLID matter of wheatgrass is crude chlorophyll".
     
  10. Debaser

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    I never get colds either, and eat about 180 grams of protein every day, mostly from animal sources. All it took was improving my diet and supplementation, and improving the quality of my sleep. I'd like to add that my diet is actually scientifically valid, though, and I only use supplements that are scientifically proven as beneficial, such as fish oil.
     
  11. marc37

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    di di di di di. (l am sucking my teeth here in disgust). Fish oil indeed. A very foolish option. Fish oil is a heavy concentrated food that is difficult for the body to break down because it contains no fat spitting enzymes therefore the body is forced to produce the enzymes so it can digest the oil. This is silly.

    Why put your body to all this work when you can ingest oil in it's predigested form. The best way to get your omega 3's is to slowly grind organic flax seeds (one of the few unaltered foods left in mankind) [using a handgrinder] to a powder. You then soak this flax seed powder in water for 12 hours. You then pour the soak water off the top (this contains various poisons due to soaking) and you eat the partially fermented and predigested flax cheese. This will give your omega 3's in a balanced dietary form. The benefits of this diet is that your body doesn't has to exert so much energy to digest such a heavy food (fish oil) because the food has loads of various enzymes and the previously concentrated nutrients are predigested now. Another huge benefit to doing it this way is all the positive acidophilus bacterias you get. These positive bachterias graetly help absorbtion of nutrients.

    CONCLUSION>
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    You would be a fool to use oils. Too hazardous. Best to take oils in a predigested form. Not so acid forming.

    You are missing my entire point on sprouting. Please re-read all my previous early posts in this topic. Concentrated foods have NO place in the human body. Fish oil indeed.
    Remember everyone: sprouting and soaking foods predigest the concentrated  compononents of food. That is the beauty of such a system. As l have said, my diet is unchallengable. lt is balanced in every meaning of the word. Using my diet will give you more energy because the food is predigested (we require huge amounts of energy to digest food. lf the food is predigested, then the body doesn't have to exert no way near as much energy. That is why you need less sleep and have more energy and hence have a stronger immune system to fight colds, early cancer etc). And as l have said earlier, not only will a strong immune system fight cancer, but various nutrients found in sprouts and grasses will help fight cancer as well. Not to mention other factors in the fight. (l won't talk about my theories on chlorophyll or oxygen theraphy here right now).
     
  12. Debaser

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    Before you spout any more rhetoric, let's see your source on this. The benefits of fish oil are highly documented and researched. For the nth time (in which n = the number of posts you've made on this thread), BACK UP YOUR CLAIMS.
     
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    heh, forget it dude. he's a legend in his own mind.
     
  14. marc37

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    (marc37 @ June 23 2005,21:43) di di di di di. (l am sucking my teeth here in disgust). Fish oil indeed. A very foolish option. Fish oil is a heavy concentrated food that is difficult to the body to break down because it contains no fat spitting enzymes therefore the body is forced to produce the enzymes so it can digest the oil. This is silly.
    Before you spout any more rhetoric, let's see your source on this. Â The benefits of fish oil are highly documented and researched. For the nth time (in which n = the number of posts you've made on this thread), BACK UP YOUR CLAIMS.
    What l said about predigestion is fully backed up. l stated facts. Go back and read my previous early posts, your knowledge of health foods leaves a hell of alot to be desired. l am aware of the benefits of using fish oil, the problem is that using fish oil also has its problems [which l won't go into here right now; anyway l have stated the problems previously]. That's why it is better to predigest the foods.
     
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    I had a shot of fresh organic wheatgrass today. It's the second day in a row. I'm really into it. I could shit a bear.

    Horace
    Follower of Wigmore.
     
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    Good on ya Horace. (Make sure you have it on an empty stomach). Yes, wheatgrass makes you poo better. There are reasons for that you know. The more that comes out, the better.
     
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    You mean in the sense of 'Garbage in, garbage out'? [​IMG] MtB
     
  18. T4phage

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    All quotes by marc37:
    Marc, you need to study logic. Â All of you arguements and 'proofs' are fallacious. Â This one is of the type "Affirming the consequence/Least Possible Hypothesis": eg. breast cancer is most common to those who wear skirts, therefore wearing skirts may cause breast cancer.
    Marc, wrong again. Â Re-read the links I posted. Â Cooking does denature some proteins, but no matter... HCL in your stomach will do the same for all the rest, regardless of whether your food is cooked or not.
    Marc, the tablets are CONCENTRATED wheatgrass extract. Â To get anywhere near the same amount of the nutrients that the table showed from a small amount of regular food, you will need GALLONS AND GALLONS of your wheatgrass juice. Â Your stomach does not have the capacity. Â OHH...... is that why you use an enema.. Â [​IMG] Â Sad.. all that to get the nutrition that is in half a cup of broccoli and a stick of carrot.
    Nope, plain and simple no. Â Why.. use your head Marc... which contains more water?
    In addition to taking logic classes, please take some basic biology classes.. don't depend on your clippings from irreputable publishers and writers. Â THIS IS SOOOOOOOO WRONG. Â Do you know what the cell structure of plants look like?? Â the bulk of the solid matter is cellulose... a polysaccharide which CANNOT be digested by humans Marc, familiarize yourself with this image: [​IMG] As for your little tirade against fish oils.... as people are asking: PROVE IT and not with unscientific reports for your magazines. edit: Marc, see that picture... do you know where the chlorophyll is located? If you do, realize how small a percentage that is of the entire cell compared to cellulose.
     
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    Garbage in, Garbage out ... I guess Horace is taking second step ... ENEMAS Â [​IMG] Â [​IMG]
     

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