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What are the best friends of your country?

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by ernest, Feb 21, 2005.

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  1. Roy

    Roy Well-Known Member

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    Germany would have needed the oil fields of Russia. Otherwise it wouldnt have made a difference what other resources could be found in the rest of Europe.
     
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    US developped the A bomb thanks to German scientists.

    If Hitler hasn't been betrayed by some of his officers and made some small mistakes with Russians, the US on French beachs would have been as ridiculious as in Cuba's beach.
     
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    Germany didn't exactly have to fight anyone. The Nazi regime chose to fight an agressive war of conquest.
     
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    (ernest @ Feb. 25 2005,17:42) (sending poor blacks on the first line.)
    You leap to believe every anti-American lie anyone can put into circulation, don't you? Â This claim is false, and has been proved false, with numbers. Â Mouthing tired campus-left slogans won't change that.
    How many US dead in Vietnam?
     
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    I don't think anyone believes that Germany and Russia would have been allied at that point, I was using the hypothetical analysis that if Germany had defeated Russia, what the situation would have been. There is no OIL in Europe (as our saudi friend Rafjaijandi, or whatever his name is, was only too willing to point out) and that would have been a major concern. The North Sea hadn't fully been explored yet at that point in time.

    I think the Me-262 was an underappreciated jet, but remember that the British launched their own jet at about the same time, and only one year after WWII (1946) the US launched the F-86 Sabre, which would have dominated the skies over Europe. The most impressive plane from that entire era IMO was the Mig-15... although the North Koreans and Chinese couldn't fly it worth a sh*t.

    I actually think that would have been an interesting intellectual exercise to wargame a second world war w/ a defeated Russia... BTW, Germany was using the natural resources of most of Europe at the time of the American invasion...
     
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    Originally Posted by Roy,Feb. 25 2005,17:44
    So from what I have picked up from different sides I understood that it was mainly the fact that Germany had to fight the war on two fronts was what beat them in the end.
    Germany didn't exactly have to fight anyone. Â The Nazi regime chose to fight an agressive war of conquest.
    My apologies, but this is a question of semantics and given the fact that English is my second language I hope you will forgive me [​IMG]
     
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    No problem. [​IMG]
     
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    (Roy @ Feb. 25 2005,23:44) Also, at the end of the war Germany had technologically superior arms. They jusn't couldn't mass produce it anymore. If they coudl produce their fighter jets fast enough as well as their new generation of tanks the Normandy Invasion may have took a different turn...
    US developped the A bomb thanks to German scientists. If Hitler hasn't been betrayed by some of his officers and made some small mistakes with Russians, the US on French beachs would have been as ridiculious as in Cuba's beach.
    The US developed the A-bomb in PART because of German Scientists, J. Robert Oppenheimer was certainly not German, although many of the people who worked on the Manhattan project certainly were.
     
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    58,000. The percentage of black soldiers killed in action was actually lower than the percentage of black soldiers in the Army and Marines as a whole at that time.
     
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    (Roy @ Feb. 25 2005,23:44) Also, at the end of the war Germany had technologically superior arms. They jusn't couldn't mass produce it anymore. If they coudl produce their fighter jets fast enough as well as their new generation of tanks the Normandy Invasion may have took a different turn...
    US developped the A bomb thanks to German scientists. If Hitler hasn't been betrayed by some of his officers and made some small mistakes with Russians, the US on French beachs would have been as ridiculious as in Cuba's beach.
    Some small mistakes... like the INVASION OF RUSSIA? Yes, Hitler was certainly detrimental to the German cause, as his armchair generaling probably lost them the war on the Eastern Front... but as I've stated earlier, the US would likely won the war regardless, they have a much larger resource base, industrial base, and population than the Germans did.
     
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    No Americans landed at the Bay of Pigs.
     
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    Being a world power is not only connected with the army and even the less with just one war 50 years ago..

    Look at the situation now. What countries are the world power now? In term of economy, culture, influence on the world, language, army, sport, industry???

    P.S. don't tell me Isreal.
     
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    (ernest @ Feb. 25 2005,17:49) the US on French beachs would have been as ridiculious as in Cuba's beach.
    No Americans landed at the Bay of Pigs.
    Why? Were they making in their pants?
     
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    One thing people didn't note was that about 30-40,000 (noone is sure of the exact #s) French were also killed in Vietnam... over a much shorter time period, and exacting a far lower toll on the opponents...
     
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    (ernest @ Feb. 25 2005,14:49)
    Also, at the end of the war Germany had technologically superior arms. They jusn't couldn't mass produce it anymore. If they coudl produce their fighter jets fast enough as well as their new generation of tanks the Normandy Invasion may have took a different turn...
    US developped the A bomb thanks to German scientists. If Hitler hasn't been betrayed by some of his officers and made some small mistakes with Russians, the US on French beachs would have been as ridiculious as in Cuba's beach.
    The US developed the A-bomb in PART because of German Scientists, J. Robert Oppenheimer was certainly not German, although many of the people who worked on the Manhattan project certainly were.
    Oppenheimer is not at all a german name... And what about Einstein?
     
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    (ernest @ Feb. 25 2005,17:49) the US on French beachs would have been as ridiculious as in Cuba's beach.
    No Americans landed at the Bay of Pigs.
    The Americans didn't invade Cuba, otherwise they would have easily conquered it...
     
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    Ernest, you really ought to be embarrassed or at least occasionally nonplussed by your agressive ignorance. Because the operation was planned from the beginning as a landing by Cuban exiles.
     
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    a) Yes it was.

    b) What are you getting at?
     
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    (ernest @ Feb. 25 2005,14:07) Why do you need to always repeat that without US France would be German (as if France has been existing for 200 yeards like US) as you can beat Germans only because you are 2 times more than them? Don't forget that without French, US wouldn't have existed in 1939. And that G Bush is French.
    This is not a proven fact, and there is much evidence that would suggest the US would have won the war w/o the French naval intervention (although Lafayette played an important and undeniable role)
    the key battle of the US revolution was Yorktown and there were more French soldiers and sailors there than American ones.
     
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    Albert Einstein was never officially part of the Manhattan project, but he did give the US some information about German research with uranium. He was against using the technology for bombs, as has been clearly documented.
     
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