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Discussion in 'Streetwear and Denim' started by conceptual 4est, Feb 12, 2013.

  1. bertie

    bertie Well-Known Member

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    Unlike some other hobbies I enjoy (old cars, Scandinavian crime stories), interets in clothing is not something I share with any close friends (male anyway - some females are fascinated but that's another story). There's a blogger and member in Classic Menswear (Will) who wrote an eloquent piece that I think captures some of my feelings on the subject:

    'Just as some men find it difficult to feel relaxed in their clothes, some men feel that they should not be interested in their clothes in the first place and, like de Balzac’s ‘beast’, they just cover themselves. I suppose that they do have a kind of authority on their side, including Hardy Amies, with his dictum about choosing one’s clothes with intelligence, putting them on with care and then forgetting all about them but the trouble is that these men miss out the first two stages.

    The fear seems to be for a man to seem to be interested in his own clothes. This fear is often put about and enforced by couch potatoes who ask for nothing more from life than to watch football on the television, with a twelve pack of pilsner beer, muttering, in defence of their idleness, that this is what real men do and real men do not care about clothes; real men don’t dance, and real men certainly don’t cry.

    Let’s think about it in reverse order: if we accept that Sir Winston Churchill was a real man, then there is an example of a real man who often burst into tears, even on public platforms. If real men don’t dance, what was George Raft doing (and doing superbly well), with Carole Lombard, in the film Rumba?

    If real men don’t care about clothes, what are Muhammad Ali and Manny Pacquiao doing dressing as they do?

    Accordingly, let the couch potatoes sneer as they like. They sneer because they want to avoid full engagement in the act of living and their condemning of certain activities enables them: first, to avoid the effort involved in taking part and, secondly, to keep in their quiet corners, hoping that they won’t be asked to show the world what they can do. If they (at least occasionally) actually stood up and took part in something other than the vicarious enjoyment of the sporting achievements of others, they might understand the simple pleasure to be derived from striving to achieve something worthwhile. Dressing well is a part of that striving for achievement. Come to that, knowing how to dance (even if not as well as George Raft) is worthwhile because, when the couch potatoes are wallflowers at a ‘do’, you won’t be and, while I don’t suggest bursting into tears at a tough business meeting, if someone close to you (even a well-loved pet) suddenly dies, one misses out on a part of living in stifling natural grief with a fear of feeling.'


    http://asuitablewardrobe.dynend.com/2012/05/masculine-interest-in-dressing.html
     
  2. fishbones

    fishbones Well-Known Member

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    I never really started thinking about how I dressed until sophomore year of high-school.
    Before then, I was content with wearing whatever my parents would buy for me/graphic t-shirts and camo cargo shorts. (I had quite the collection of Invader Zim shirts)
    But when 2nd year of high-school came by, that's when I really wanted to fix the way I looked. I went through all of the typical "label" phases. (I.E, emo, scene, etc..)
    It wasn't really so much my surroundings that inspired me, more-so my exposure to the internet and the things that were going on at lookbook.nu and stuff of the like.

    But it wasn't really until the very beginning of last year did I really start looking into style a more serious way; and actually observing and knowing about the designers and their works.
    I discovered Superfuture, and would lurk everyday through the WAYWT posts.
    I would see these brands everyone would post and then google them and delve into their collections from there.
    I don't really ever go out much, so I usually just stay at home and browse around the internet looking through editorials, collection releases, and interviews; and from there I picked up from what I really wanted my personal style and aesthetic to be, and really focused my attention to these designers that struck a chord with me.

    When it comes to talking to anyone about this, apart from the people I know solely online, my small group of friends definitely don't have the same level of interest as I do.

    I talk to my girlfriend occasionally about style though, because she also has a big interest in womenswear/menswear and is currently majoring in Fashion Design.

    But besides that, I don't really have anyone to talk to in person when it comes to discussing clothing in-depth.
    The Chicago scene when it comes to style isn't all that great either. I feel as though despite being such a big city, we definitely aren't as diverse and have the same demographic as other cities out there.

    But recently I've found myself repeatedly going down to Saint Alfreds which is a streetwear shop here in Chicago that carries Undercover, Visvim, Bedwin, WTAPs, etc... and talking to the staff about clothing and collections, which is great because I always enjoy sharing my thoughts and hearing other's thoughts on things like this.

    Also, the guy's at Independence Chicago are also really nice to talk to. I always stop by whenever I'm on the Oak street area to browse around, talk, and occasionally buy something. (I believe they're one of the very very few places here that sell Ervell)
    Very cozy atmosphere, and being able to see Engineered Garments and a large Maison Kitsune collection in person is such a good experience.

    If it wasn't for SuFu and Styleforum a year and a half ago, I definitely wouldn't have been able to develop my style like I have now.
    Because I wouldn't have the facet to understand and learn more about these various designers and what they have to offer.
     
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  3. wootx

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    :eek: come on, we're on sf...

    jk :D
     
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  4. lineate

    lineate Well-Known Member

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    What a wonderful thread, thanks for starting this!

    I've got small and scattered thoughts on the subject …

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    I spend a large amount of time thinking about, researching, searching for and purchasing my clothing. You are all with me. You know what it's like.

    What I've noticed is that I increasingly feel bad about this. Actually that's wrong. I don't ever feel bad about buying. I feel bad about the time I invest. Like I should be doing something "better", whatever that is. I don't feel that way about any of my other hobbies.

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    There's this unwritten rule (like not standing next to each other at urinals) that men aren't meant to talk to other men about clothes. Ever. And if, for some ghastly reason, you must discuss your clothes, it must be in a totally 'manly' way, sticking only to the utility or production or 'usefulness' or whatever.

    This seems to be true even with guys who are visibly interested in, get, fashion and style. I often see guys wearing noticeably SF-type stuff. What happens is, you clock each other, there's a knowing look, it's weird and tense, then it breaks off, you look away. You never mention it. It's like competing predators accidentally on the worn turf.

    I don't get this, I done condone this, but I'm victim to it.

    Once a dude at work who's got some serious swag quietly peeped "Is your jumper Margiella?" at me. It was weird for no reason. I pretended I didn't know what he was on about.

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    The people whose looks I admire the most are the ones that seem to have their lifestyle sorted. They wear their fucking clothing. You can see it on them. They could be wearing white tees and jeans and still look awesome. You can't emulate that if you try, no matter how many fits your reblog on Tumblr.
     
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  5. jet

    jet Well-Known Member

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    How does one talk about fashion in general? I sort of find it a pretentious exercise. Instead, I rather talk about the design elements and merits of garments, what I like and dislike, what I think is wrong or could have been done better. That's it, nothing major and quite passive like someone posted. Maybe a mention of drape here and there and what is really fucking good or great. I've found no better place to do this than at south willard. I went to all the shops in search of enlightenment back in the day and Ryan was the only one who welcomed me but didn't pressure me. He was the only one who liked to talk about the clothes who actually knew about the clothes because he was the one who bought them for the shop. He wasn't some guy trying to make commission on me or viewed his job as a hookup for an employee discount. He was a regular guy just like me who just happened to really fucking like clothes. He was not an aspiring artist or musician and related to clothing the same way i did ie. feel, fit, context. I found myself going in there all the time because it was such a warm hospitable place, an environment in which one doesn't feel threatened. In fact I went in there so many times that I told Ryan one of these days I was going to buy something and he hardly cared. He enjoyed talking about it as much as I enjoyed hearing about it. It was a hang out spot after awhile and there were months where I would go by on a weekly basis. It is kind of like if cheers was a clothing store. Friends would come in all the time who I'd meet and then become friends with myself. Famous skaters, interior designers, surfers, etc. I swear, he has more friends call the shop than customers. I must have tried on hundreds of things while we talked about food, cars, cigars, or some artwork he was digging from his artist buddies. I remember one time when he got a raf simons shipment in when he wasn't at the shop. He had texted me and we both raced down there as I happened to have the day off that day. The three of us were unboxing shit like it was christmas, claiming what we wanted before it even hit the floor haha.

    I was pretty fortunate to make lots of connections at a few other stores around LA where I could go and shoot the shit. At the margiela store they'd give me espresso, champagne, snacks while we smoked outside. Probably bought only a handful of items there but it was like a family. They'd show me things coming out, invite me to parties, gallery openings, etc. Ron herman and fred segal were my other hangouts where we would all go out to eat after the store closed. While I did pick up a lot of information from this site, a lot of it was learned just talking to people. It's information I attempt to pass on to the forum, things that go unknown until it comes out, gets regurgitated, then commonly accepted as facts. I may come off elitest, a dickhead, whatever you want to call me but ultimately I'm just trying to share some of the knowledge that has been passed on to me. There is so much information that isn't on forums and the only way to get it is by meeting people and listening to their stories. Great thread btw.
     
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  6. MikeDT

    MikeDT Well-Known Member

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    I find what goes on around me clothing wise is completely different to StyleForvm. It's almost like an interactive fashion magazine to me, like a kind of escapism. If SF reflected the world around me, it might become boring.
     
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  7. Andreas1965

    Andreas1965 Well-Known Member

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    I hardly ever talk about fashion with any of my friends. They're simply not interested in this topic (which can be seen by the way they're dressing...).
    I try to look the best way possible, but sometimes it's hard. Germany and fashion... well, it's not easy.

    I live in Duesseldorf, a city which calls itself "Fashion-City" (because of the annual Fashion show here and b/c Duesseldorf is the homebase of many fashion agencies). Haha. Right now, there is only ONE store left, where they sell selvage denim, for example.
    We have ONE store selling Alden shoes, but they are overpriced, the staff is hostile and they don't stock too many different models.
    We don't have stores selling Wolverine, another example.

    The only decent store has it all, selvage denim, Red Wing, Filson, etc., but that stuff is pricey over here and the selection is limited. And it feels a bit awkward to go to this store each and every saturday just to check out if they have something new. The staff there is very friendly, thank god, so they don't mind me hanging in the store all the time.

    So I'm limited to online stores, but even these have limited range of stuff here in Germany. Last solution: orddering in England or USA. GB is ok, no taxes, no customs. I order all my shoes there (Trickers). USA... customs if you exceed 110,- Euro including shipping costs [​IMG]

    Thank god I'm usually 3-4 times a year in the states. Whenever I go there I try to order as much as possible from US online stores to be shipped to my hotel in the states, and furthermore there's usually shopping tours included in my stay there. That is ok when going to NY, Boston or LA, but South Florida is bad. Ever tried to buy Alden's in Florida? Good luck!
     
  8. click here

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    Where do you live?
     
  9. MikeDT

    MikeDT Well-Known Member

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    China, although I'm actually British.

    The thread I've been mostly active in has been the Unidentified Fashion Objects - The fake, phoney and just plain funny. Which is largely due to location, the people around me and what really interests me. However I don't wear this stuff myself if I can help it, except in school sometimes because the students find it amusing. Although I read many other threads, just out of interest and for the drama sometimes.
     
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  10. Wupper

    Wupper Well-Known Member

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    Ich bin sicher, dass es in Düsseldorf wesentlich mehr als nur ein Geschäft gibt, wo du selvage denim bekommst. Spontan fallen mir P&C, Anson's und ein Designer Laden in Richtung Altstadt an einem Wochenmarkt ein. Keine Ahnung wie der heißt. Wolverine Schuhe kannst du ebenfalls bei Anson's kaufen.
     
  11. Andreas1965

    Andreas1965 Well-Known Member

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    Ich bleib mal bei Englisch [​IMG]

    I've been at P&C, Duesseldorf, Cologne, Oberhausen, Essen, Dortmund and many more. No selvage jeans.
    Anson's... same here. Anson's is a 100% daughter of P&C, no differences. Anson's may have Wolverine shoes, but definitely no 1K.

    The store near the weekly market at Carlsplatz is "Robert Schmitz". That's the one I mentioned. Best store in town, hands down.

    Cologne is a little bit better than duesseldorf, but compared to Berlin it's a deserted area as well. Once a year I attend a congress in Berlin, and I usually travel home with many, many goods.

    Believe me, my hunt for quality clothing took me to places where no man has gone before [​IMG] and it was a frustrating journey...

    Better go shopping in NY.
     

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