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UNITE! Tag in Made in USA suits

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by kabert, Nov 29, 2004.

  1. johnnynorman3

    johnnynorman3 Well-Known Member

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    What was your bad experience? Would you term the suits crap or the MTM result?
     
  2. LA Guy

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    I find the HF Canterbury model wearable, though not particularly exciting. The Boardroom I find square and unappealing.
     
  3. johnnynorman3

    johnnynorman3 Well-Known Member

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    The Madison is better than the Canterbury in my opinion, though I agree with your assessment of the Canterbury. The more recent Madison models have a slightly sloped and softly padded shoulder that has a bit of roping at the sleevehead, creating a nice "poof" -- really, it looks like Zegna (if they would just cut their damn armholes higher.).
     
  4. drizzt3117

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    my $.02...

    The concept of unions is a noble one, however, in reality they are inefficient and merely drive up labor costs for corporations. I was involved in import/export for quite some time, and the practices of dockworkers especially in the long beach area are ridiculous. Their average wages exceed $100k and most of them spend alot of time lounging around. This is not what was intended when unions were founded. At this point I think unionization in the US has become a liability to our corporations, and if we want to compete in a global market, we need to move ahead. The trend away from unionization began in the 80s and 90s and IMO will continue.
     
  5. zjpj83

    zjpj83 Well-Known Member

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    Re: Hickey Freeman Both. It was an absolute disaster. First of all, when doing MTM at over $1500 a suit, I expected the quality to be like that of their top of the line suits and jackets (litte flap of fabric flapped and sewn under the collar, hand stitching, etc.) Nope. Quality was of regular line aka. mediocre at best. No detectable handwork. Had to pay $50 extra for pick stitching on the lapels, so, when you think about it, this is basically just aesthetic, probably added by a machine after the fact. So, lapels not handdone. no stitched underneath lapel indicating any kind of canvasing or high quality stitching, buttonholes on jacket machine done, etc. etc. $50 extra for working buttonholes. $50 or $100 extra for DB, don't remember which. As you can see, price adds up, and it was garbage for what I was paying, both in terms of construction, and, as you will see, fit, customer service, overall experience, etc. NEVER AGAIN One was one button peaked lapel. I asked for two button. But they made one. Oh, well, I didn't mind, looked ok, I guess. Fit is ok, nothing special. lapel width is gigantic, looks ridiculous. I know rounded peaked lapel is their signature but I'm around 36S and you don't do a 4 3/4 inch wide lapel for a 36S (yes, 4 3/4 inches). Also, all working buttonholes done on the sleeve aside from the top button of the right arm, which for some reason they finished and then did some extremely ugly "fake" working buttonhole stitching (perhaps to patch up an error?) Either way it looks riciulous, and the button doesn't sit properly on top anyway. All in all, looks ok, though no real shape to jacket. Second was a DB pinstripe. Big disaster. They made it miles too small. Then for some reason I notice they had done center vent... on a DB suit. Looked ridiculous. I obviously did not ask for that, but I asked for double vents. Sleeves were also literally inches too short AND they had already put working buttonholes in (this was at the first fititng) They tried to fiddle with the suit, come back for second fitting, I tell them it still sucks and they have to make a new jacket. Months are passing. finally, new jacket. Lapel width, as you can imagine, is equally out of proportion with body - same as the SB suit. At least they get the side vents right. Anyway, the thing doesn't hang properly, as a result the buttons on one side appear visually to be about an inch lower than the other. They fiddled with it more. More months pass, many fittings later. It still doesn't look right, but the master tailor there and the salesman say it looks great. They by this time, I'm so sick of the BS I take the suit and leave. Later, I even noticed that they even spelled my name wrong on the inner label. This is what I get for giving a company well over $3000? [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
  6. johnnynorman3

    johnnynorman3 Well-Known Member

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    I'm sure if you just take the thing to the local dry cleaner they'll be able to realter it for you. [​IMG] That is total bs, Z. You should have refused to pay (when was this BTW -- you still may have time under the Uniform Commercial Code to ask for your money back -- I'll help you out if you'd like).
     
  7. j

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    You should email HF customer service and point them to this thread- perhaps when they see the potential money they are bound to lose they might see the wisdom of making things right with you.
     
  8. zjpj83

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    It was this summer. What do you think - implied warranty of merchantability? I don't know if that would fly. I don't know if I want to deal with them anymore on any level anyway. Unfortunately, the law doesn't relieve you from just a "bad bargain." By the way, also note a few things. 1. this was in their main NYC 5th avenue shop. 2. they made me pay 100% up front. 3. Also worth noting that Darren saw the DB suit and thought the "hanging wrong" problem I mention was really poor quality.
     
  9. johnnynorman3

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    Geez, I'd say you very likely have a claim if the suits are as bad as you say (indeed, the vent and button screw ups alone would give you a claim). Let me do some research (don't worry, this is fun for me) and I'll get back to you by the weekend.
     
  10. johnnynorman3

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    J has a very good point -- why don't you email HF and link them to this thread as a first resort.

    I really like HF, but I think I'll rethink my plans to go MTM with them if they leave you high and dry with serious tailoring errors.
     
  11. zjpj83

    zjpj83 Well-Known Member

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    Here is a picture to show you what I'm talking about. I drew a line across so you can see. [​IMG] BTW, sorry for the thread hijack
     
  12. johnnynorman3

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    That's pretty weird. It's not the button placement to be sure, because you can see the whole left side of the coat closes at an upward angle. You could see it even better if your picture totally showed the bottom edge of the coat.
     
  13. zjpj83

    zjpj83 Well-Known Member

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    Yup, the whole front of the jacket angles sideways because it was clearly cut wrong
     
  14. j

    j Well-Known Member

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    Err...that looks bad, but I'm pretty sure that if you were to move that button (the left one in the pic) down/over a smidge, the suit would line up better and probably be serviceable, albeit not perfect.
     
  15. NoVaguy

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    It seems like the problem is more that the left lapel higher relative to the right lapel, rather than the button being misplaced... although moving the button might quasi-repair the look.

    It seems that they never really compensated for your shoulders, which slightly pulled the left lapel up, which magnified and then threw the 2nd button position out of alignment. Unless that is some optical illusion....
     
  16. johnnynorman3

    johnnynorman3 Well-Known Member

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    Actually, would it not be better to move the buttons on the right side DOWN?
     
  17. j

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    Well, first you want to get the pinstripes lined up. Then feel free to move the decorative buttons so they are more even/level. It's really hard to tell from just a picture, but I think you could easily get it looking better than that with a little button-jockeying.
     
  18. johnnynorman3

    johnnynorman3 Well-Known Member

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    That suit is driving me nuts now.
     
  19. zjpj83

    zjpj83 Well-Known Member

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    Dear buttonmovers:

    no, that won't work. When unbuttoned, the buttons are level. The jacket pulls the button up with it when buttoned.
     
  20. zjpj83

    zjpj83 Well-Known Member

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    hahaha [​IMG] welcome to my frustration.
     

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