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Unfunded Liabilities: a/k/a The Cloth Thread

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Manton, Feb 10, 2008.

  1. aragon765

    aragon765 Well-Known Member

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    Rather than start a new thread, I thought I would add to this one...

    I am considering getting a sport coat made for 'casual friday' wear... I would want to pair the coat with charcoal or tan/beige trousers for a nice summery look. I found this fabric locally, and wanted to get opinions on it. It is pretty lightweight (9/9.5 oz), but I think it would fit the bill quite nicely. Thoughts?

    These pictures were taken outside, so the colouring should be quite accurate...

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  2. Panzeraxe II

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    Maybe its my monitor but that looks like a suiting
     
  3. aragon765

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    Maybe its my monitor but that looks like a suiting

    maybe I should have put this in the "what makes a sport coat vs. a suit" thread...

    Why do you say that, P? [​IMG]
     
  4. Eustace Tilley

    Eustace Tilley Well-Known Member

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    I agree with Panzer - its a suiting. Its hard for me to describe why I believe so, except that, like pornography, I know it when I see it.
     
  5. yachtie

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    Rather than start a new thread, I thought I would add to this one...

    I am considering getting a sport coat made for 'casual friday' wear... I would want to pair the coat with charcoal or tan/beige trousers for a nice summery look. I found this fabric locally, and wanted to get opinions on it. It is pretty lightweight (9/9.5 oz), but I think it would fit the bill quite nicely. Thoughts?

    These pictures were taken outside, so the colouring should be quite accurate...

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    Maybe its my monitor but that looks like a suiting

    I agree with Panzer - its a suiting. Its hard for me to describe why I believe so, except that, like pornography, I know it when I see it.

    Its a suiting (despite the two colorways)- looks pretty nice too. SB 3pc. [​IMG]
     
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    Even so, it could make a decent sport jacket. In fact, I think it would be better just given the color, which is definitely on the bright side.
     
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    Even so, it could make a decent sport jacket. In fact, I think it would be better just given the color, which is definitely on the bright side.

    I think it is absolutely fine for a sports coat. I really struggle to understand why it would be considered a suiting [​IMG]

    It would be a very casual suit - light colour with check.
     
  8. Eustace Tilley

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    Well, I really think it'll look like an orphaned suit jacket if it were to be worn sans matching trousers [​IMG]
     
  9. Manton

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    I think it is absolutely fine for a sports coat. I really struggle to understand why it would be considered a suiting [​IMG]

    Eh? Mr. Frock Coat doesn't see this? All is lost.
     
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    Sorry, I don't see it. All is lost. Expect the sky to fall on your head soon.
     
  11. Manton

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    Sorry, I don't see it. All is lost. Expect the sky to fall on your head soon.

    You have spent too long whacking 100 year old cloth with brooms and inhaling the dust. That is a suiting. Awful as an odd jacket.
     
  12. Sator

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    Here is a sports coat worn by Prince Charles: [​IMG] You cannot see that the trousers don't match but in other shots it was clearly so. OK, it is possibly tweed but it looks fine as a sports coat.
     
  13. aragon765

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    ok, we have the heavy-weights weighing in...(which I am thankful for) but I still don't understand why it is a suiting or a sport coat?? Is is simply personal preference, or am I about to commit a serious error by making this into a sport coat?
     
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    This picture makes it clearer: [​IMG]
     
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    You have spent too long whacking 100 year old cloth with brooms and inhaling the dust. That is a suiting. Awful as an odd jacket.

    OK Manton you just don't like checked sports coats that much do you?

    Sorry, but I do. It's surely a personal preference rather than a rule written in stone.
     
  17. Manton

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    I do like them, but very few of them. I have one, in fact. I will post a pic soon for the green contest.

    To my eye, the best checked summer odd jacket book ever is the Carlo Barbera for Lesser 8 ounce lambswool.

    Jacketings should not have a suiting finish, as that blue has. Plus, the color and pattern make it clearly a suiting.
     
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    Jacketings should not have a suiting finish, as that blue has.


    I totally agree that sports coats should be marked out as such. To that end cloths with rougher finishes are strongly preferable. All true.

    However, if sufficiently marked out as a sports coat in every other way, that cloth could be made to work for a summer coat. I was thinking of slightly fancy brown buttons, patch pockets with a lighter linen canvass and natural shoulders. A shorter coat and a more relaxed fit would also help.

    I think never say never.
     
  19. oscarthewild

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    That fabric begs for a DB and not a slouchy drapy AS type but a DB with some cleanliness. Even like a Brioni DB. I could feel this but not explain it until I read Manton comment about the finish. Yes, the fabric has a finish that makes it suitable for jackets and for making trousers (it will be durable and can keep a crease). No that is not the only criterion for making suit vs a jacket but in this case, I would lean that way.

    The Breanish tweed posted a few pages ago, by contrast, does not make good trousers. I think they bag too quicky. I have a suit length of the fabric (oatmeal with orange plaid) that I so want to make a suit from but I may heed Manton advice reg the trousers. Also does not look like it can keep a crease.
     
  20. Eustace Tilley

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    To my eye, the best checked summer odd jacket book ever is the Carlo Barbera for Lesser 8 ounce lambswool.

    Quoted for truth.

    I have 2 sportcoats made from this book (which is also sometimes marketed as a H. Lesser book). The stuff is beautiful [​IMG]
     

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