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Unfunded Liabilities: a/k/a The Cloth Thread

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Manton, Feb 10, 2008.

  1. Cantabrigian

    Cantabrigian Well-Known Member

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    Just sent you a PM @TRINI
     
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    FYI - for those that care, this is a Del Fino from their double-faced collection.
     
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    About 10 years ago I was based in HK and was going to a business meeting in Singapore with the Minister of defense. I asked the dress code and the office manager for our SIngapore office told me NO JACKET - it made you look like an out-of-towner. Sure enough, met with the MoD and he was in short sleeves, no tie and no jacket. Solved the cloth choice dilemma for those visits. HK still required suit and tie though, no matter how hot.

    Things may have changed since then.
     
  5. KyleT

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    Minnis Fresco 0500 which runs cooler than a 0511.

    Anybody has experience with Dugdales New Fine Worsted's? (you can get them from their online shop) How hot or cool they wear, drape, touch etc.
     
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    Vox had one made at Steed. Click.
     
  7. naviC

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    I would say Singapore has changed a fair bit since... At least for the context I have seen, it's arctic indoors, but once you step outdoors....

    think a linen / cotton summer weave shirt + undershirt is absolutely necessary there
     
  8. mimo

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    I'm not sure I feel any insecurity at being seen as an "out-of-towner". I've not done business in Singapore, but I've seen elsewhere with Malaysians, and in Taiwan, a similar dynamic. Certainly, a short sleeved shirt and no tie seem quite normal as business dress. What's more, perversely perhaps, is that it seems to be the junior ranks who wear a tie. I was even told in Malaysia that it was a sign of confidence for the senior management to dress more casually, and the accounts assistants and salesmen were the only ones who wore ties.

    However, I'm not Malay or Taiwanese, and being an Englishman in a suit and tie seems to fit a very neat stereotype in every country I've visited. And even if the other side of the table are dressed like factory supervisors, I can say with complete conviction that one is always better treated and taken more seriously when looking fabulous. :)

    On a separate but related point: seersucker for suits. Any expert thoughts, sources or suggestions? I'm sick of crumpled linen and am thinking of going in this direction for the hotter months. All guidance is appreciated.
     
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  9. mactire

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    It certainly seems to be a trend that upper ranks in very many organisations especially in the US dress appallingly with some of the logic perhaps being that they are so assured they don't have to try or more importantly appear to try. A recent interview of Jack Bezos with Charlie Rose as well as Amazon VP in jeans and a tshirt springs to mind. A local billionaire knew of was renowned for his meanness and wearing the same jumper for 30 years [sweater to those in the US].




    Originally Posted by mimo [​IMG]

    However, I'm not Malay or Taiwanese, and being an Englishman in a suit and tie seems to fit a very neat stereotype in every country I've visited. And even if the other side of the table are dressed like factory supervisors, I can say with complete conviction that one is always better treated and taken more seriously when looking fabulous. :)

    On a separate but related point: seersucker for suits. Any expert thoughts, sources or suggestions? I'm sick of crumpled linen and am thinking of going in this direction for the hotter months. All guidance is appreciated.
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    Seersucker on a cut length basis is hard to find. Monsieur Xu of this parish was organising a buy through Holland & Sherry of a cotton/lycra seersucker if you're interested.
     
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    I have this also and it is rather bold, so if that's not your thing, I'd steer clear.
     
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    Really? At one time, Loro Piana had a cashmere blend, and the more conventional preppy cotton-only is out there in a few incarnations. Can't remember where, but it's not impossible to find.
     
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    Thanks for that sanity check. It seems to have fans on here but if it's as bold as you suggest it may not be for me.
     
  13. mactire

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    Well I couldn't find it when I wanted it. I'm up to my gills in cloth though so it'll be a while before I'm looking again.
     
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    That's slightly terrifying. I go back and forth between wondering if the modern business suit is actually flattering to the human form or not, but it would be a shame if it became a sign of junior status. I really wish we could go back to the 19th century and change the trend as to what would become businesswear... there were lots of cool, unstructured jacket forms during the Regency that would have been much more comfortable and practical.
     
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    Now as then, a sober suit marks one as a member of the prosperous professional/middle class. As we re-establish an aristocratic economy, however, that is no longer the unalloyed virtue that it used to be.
     
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    What do you think the dress of the aristocrats will become?

    I wonder if a century from now tailors will be canvassing dress shirts and the jacket, and perhaps wool itself, will be completely gone... this could turn into the cotton thread.
     
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    I don't know what aristocrats wear but lots of people enjoy wearing suits even if they don't need to for status/class reasons. I'd say that suits/jackets are rising in popularity, if anything, in contrast to the business casual backlash to formal business attire in the 80s-90s.
     
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    Ah no, the suit is safe I think: it still makes you look like a person to be taken seriously. The Asian microcosm in which the tie is "trying too hard", is also one in which suits are rare at all: so wearing one might well make you look like a visitor. But a visitor who means business.

    A suit, preferably three piece, well chosen tie and pocket square and a good pair of shoes, remain the mark of a professional gentleman, in my opinion.
     
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    +1 to that
     
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