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UK or US sizing (C & J for BB)

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Salsalocust, Apr 25, 2010.

  1. Salsalocust

    Salsalocust Well-Known Member

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    Hi Guys,

    http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...STRK:MESELX:IT

    I am having a crisis of confidence over the sizing of this shoe I have just listed on eBay. It is a C & J made shoe on the 240 last that has been resocked. Almost certainly it is a Peal & Co for Brooks Brothers.

    I made the decision to list these as UK 9.5 D because the insole bears the imprint ' 9 1/2 4' with 4 being the fitting. As these are english made using english components, I presume the 4 fitting to be an English 'D' fit.... 95 % of the shoes that pass through me are E fit and have a 5 on the insole to reflect this.

    However a Styleforum member has contacted me to suggest I am in error. He states that as the shoe has 9 1/2 D pen written on the inside of the shoe it is indeed an American 9 1/2 D and that all his US 9 D shoes made by C & J have '4' on the insole anyway.

    I was both thrown and surprised by this and regret dabbling with bloody 'D' fitting shoes ( nice that they are [​IMG] )

    Please could someone throw some light on this.... have I listed a UK 9.5D or a US 9.5 D

    A quick response would allow me to revise or scrap the listing.

    Regards,

    Graham
     
  2. rebel222

    rebel222 Well-Known Member

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    I was the one who sent Graham an email. All of my US size 9D C&J for BB shoes are a '4' width insole. I have one pair that is 'C' width, and it is a '3' width insole.

    I can provide measurements of my 9D on the 240 so you can compare length measurements. If those are a 9.5D US, they should only be marginally longer.
     
  3. jreigen

    jreigen Well-Known Member

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    I don't have an answer, but was actually just looking at those on Ebay.
     
  4. txeconomist

    txeconomist Well-Known Member

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    Id think that these are a 9.5D US as well.
     
  5. forex

    forex Well-Known Member

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    They are UK size,not US and thus would be 10D.
     
  6. rebel222

    rebel222 Well-Known Member

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    They are UK size,not US and thus would be 10D.

    How do you know?
     
  7. forex

    forex Well-Known Member

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    How do you know?

    I tried those and 10.5 fits me,I am 11D US.
     
  8. rebel222

    rebel222 Well-Known Member

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    The brooks brothers ones are definitely US sized, no questions. They may run big, but they're US sized. I wear my true size in that model.

    He has a pair of C&J subs (not marked Brooks Brothers).
     
  9. pebblegrain

    pebblegrain Well-Known Member

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    how are you most certain that they were for BB USA at one time?

    I have a 9.5D US BB by CJ (chukka on medway) if you want measurements.

    IMO the 240 runs true to size, not large.
     
  10. rebel222

    rebel222 Well-Known Member

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    how are you most certain that they were for BB USA at one time? I have a 9.5D US BB by CJ (chukka on medway) if you want measurements. IMO the 240 runs true to size, not large.
    I've never seen the 240 used on anything except for BB. I used to own those shoes (sold them on the B&S a few months ago). Are your Cukkas 360 degree welted? If so, measurements won't help. The shoes in question are 270. I was going to give some 9D measurements, but I realized all of my 240 last C&Js are 360 welted.
     
  11. pebblegrain

    pebblegrain Well-Known Member

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    actually, I was asking Salsa why he was sure.

    So rebel, you owned the exact pair he listed? Did you sell them to him? Or do you mean you owned the normal retail BB version sold in the US, or do you mean owned a similar strange sub version he has with the replaced sockliner?

    btw, CJ does use the 240, for their Grasmere. I presume that's what you meant by "never seen used by BB".
     
  12. rebel222

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    Sorry, yeah that was a typo. I've only seen the 240 for rebranded stuff, but you are right about the Grashmere. That's only in a UK 'C' width.

    I didn't sell him that pair. I have owned that shoe in the BB model. Not that specific one, but the same shoe (not second, not replaced sockliner)
     
  13. pebblegrain

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    funny thing is, the Grasmere doesn't clarify anything. Maybe whenever CJ uses the 240, it's only in a UK C-width? maybe they just add half a size number and call it D in the US
     
  14. Wes Bourne

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    Hi Guys,

    http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...STRK:MESELX:IT

    I am having a crisis of confidence over the sizing of this shoe I have just listed on eBay. It is a C & J made shoe on the 240 last that has been resocked. Almost certainly it is a Peal & Co for Brooks Brothers.

    I made the decision to list these as UK 9.5 D because the insole bears the imprint ' 9 1/2 4' with 4 being the fitting. As these are english made using english components, I presume the 4 fitting to be an English 'D' fit.... 95 % of the shoes that pass through me are E fit and have a 5 on the insole to reflect this.

    However a Styleforum member has contacted me to suggest I am in error. He states that as the shoe has 9 1/2 D pen written on the inside of the shoe it is indeed an American 9 1/2 D and that all his US 9 D shoes made by C & J have '4' on the insole anyway.

    I was both thrown and surprised by this and regret dabbling with bloody 'D' fitting shoes ( nice that they are [​IMG] )

    Please could someone throw some light on this.... have I listed a UK 9.5D or a US 9.5 D

    A quick response would allow me to revise or scrap the listing.

    Regards,

    Graham


    US9.5D

    I was the one who sent Graham an email. All of my US size 9D C&J for BB shoes are a '4' width insole. I have one pair that is 'C' width, and it is a '3' width insole.

    I can provide measurements of my 9D on the 240 so you can compare length measurements. If those are a 9.5D US, they should only be marginally longer.


    The brooks brothers ones are definitely US sized, no questions. They may run big, but they're US sized. I wear my true size in that model.

    He has a pair of C&J subs (not marked Brooks Brothers).


    Yup. I have a pair of those BB Peal brown punch caps, as well as their tan pebble grain boots, made by C&J on the 240 last. Both are labelled size UD9D and have 9 and 4 on the insole.
     
  15. Motorsport226

    Motorsport226 Well-Known Member

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    I was wondering this too. I came across a pair of chukkas made for Barney's and the size is listed as a 10.5D, but they are 270 welted and measure 12" from heel to toe. Most of my shoes measure 12" and I wear an 11D.

    I'm going to have to assume that these have the UK size written on the inside.

    If anybody has had experiences with the C&J for Barney's can you comment on this?

    -226
     
  16. rebel222

    rebel222 Well-Known Member

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    C&J for Barney's is US sized.
     
  17. Motorsport226

    Motorsport226 Well-Known Member

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    C&J for Barney's is US sized.

    Then does the 224 last run large? That seems pretty long for a 10.5.

    -226
     
  18. Flimsychicken

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    FWIW, my CJ/Peal for BB Monk straps on the 240 have 8 1/2 4 on the insole. They are a US 8.5D. Interestingly, none of my other CJ/Peal for BB (on the 325, 360, etc.) have the imprint on the insole.
     
  19. rebel222

    rebel222 Well-Known Member

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    Then does the 224 last run large? That seems pretty long for a 10.5.

    -226


    Not sure, but you realize that the different in length of the same model in a 10.5 & 11 is maybe 1/8"?

    Measurements are worthless for determining fit.
     
  20. pebblegrain

    pebblegrain Well-Known Member

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    Then does the 224 last run large? That seems pretty long for a 10.5.

    -226


    firstly like rebel said, Barneys CJs are US sized
    secondly, like rebel said, measurements are usually worthless
    lastly, if anything, 12" is short for a size 10.5. not long. I wear 9.5D US and most of my shoes measure between 11 7/8 to 12 inches. not all of them though
     

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