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TOJ - updates on the debacle, complaints, news about other ventures, whatever.

Discussion in 'Streetwear and Denim' started by impolyt_one, Jan 7, 2011.

  1. omgcookielol

    omgcookielol Well-Known Member

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    He thinks that the cost of producing a fqhh barnstormer with a shearling and corduroy lining (and thats what that jacket is. You don't get a fucking cashmere coat by slapping cashmere onto the inside of a coat made of thick egyptian cotton or some shit) is roughly equivalent to the cost of producing a full shearling - without any idea of what shearling costs in S Korea, or even of what the hide side of his shearling looks like.
     
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  2. bows1

    bows1 Well-Known Member

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    I'm sorry Woodyear but I still don't understand how this jacket you keep talking about is similar to what drew is talking about. Its horse leather with shearling lining, not one piece correct? Pretty sure horses don't have fur, but hair. Why is this jacket your example when its not what drew is saying?
     
  3. l1mab3an

    l1mab3an Well-Known Member

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    In his mind the horse hide plus the shearling would be more expensive then just a really high quality shearling finished on both sides, although I don't get how he can say this without know exactly where aero is sourcing the material from and the prices they are getting it for.
     
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  4. Carpenoctem

    Carpenoctem Well-Known Member

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    How can you say it isnt more expensive without knowing the same things? Reason dictates that it would be more expensive, especially since ive also already shown an example of a shearling coat, finished on the sheepskin side, which cost a mere $350 at retail. Its not like mink, which is only ever expensive. There are gradients of shearling, some of which costs next to nothing, some of which is pretty pricey, but in no case is shearling exotic. It only ever gets so expensive, and believe me the shearling in my aero is the good stuff. I fuck with shearling, i know the good stuff from the shitty stuff. Im wearing hand made shearling slippers right now actually.

    Bottom line if drew cant produce a shearling for less than 3k he needs to get a new supplier or stop trying to buy cocaine laden shearling hides from mt olympus.
     
  5. Carpenoctem

    Carpenoctem Well-Known Member

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    For good measure heres another example of a sheepskin flight coat finished on the leather side for a g. Union Made in the U.S.A by LOCAL 169 of WORKERS UNITED A/W SEIU.

    http://www.schottnyc.com/products/men/bomber/classic-b-3-sheepskin-leather-bomber.htm

    I know the same bs excuses "they buy in bulk!", "but ummmm their clothes dont fit that great!", blah blah blah my only point is if these guys can do it in america for a g, drew could do it to the same standards or higher in korea for a fuck of a lot less than 3k. Thats just a fact, if he cant do it then hes not looking in the righ places or he needs to reevaluate how he does business.
     
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  6. l1mab3an

    l1mab3an Well-Known Member

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    You could be right, but I wouldn't risk shouting at a man who takes pride in his vision and company and making an embarrassment of myself based on a notion that I was right... Because although you may even have an informed opinion, and Drew is certainly not all knowing, I would put my money on his word based purely on the fact that he certainly has more information on product costs and manufacturing costs then you do.

    Furthermore you are arguing for the sake of hearing yourself speak, what in God's name could possibly come from this? Drew admit he is wrong and bow to you? Would that turn you on?

    Get over it.
     
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  7. l1mab3an

    l1mab3an Well-Known Member

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    I do not read this thread to hear college kids and stay at home Dad's tell a man running a business they know very little about how to do so. If you have a picture to share or an idea to suggest by all means.. But to turn an idea that gets rejected into a giant argument is not only a stain on this thread, but can only lead to discouraging Drew from participation here and surely not result in your idea coming to fruition.
     
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  8. eidolarr

    eidolarr Well-Known Member

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    It's a shame you let your ego swell so much. This could have been interesting as an actual discussion rather than bickering.
     
  9. MikkoN

    MikkoN Well-Known Member

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    LOL. Tell them how it is Drew!
     
  10. mike1445

    mike1445 Well-Known Member

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    Woodyear got mad b/c he felt Drew was flaking on the challenge of making a sheepskin flight jacket? In his defense, its a pretty sick idea, but A) to find the material up to Drew's standards B) take the time to find a design that is distinctly TOJ with a unique material and C) hope there is enough customers that want some WWII-steez bomber seems like quite an undertaking and not likely a high-volume production stream. TOJ seems to have plenty on their plate at the moment.

    Woodyear; if you really meant to encourage TOJ's innovation/progression I think you just went about it the wrong way. You need to take a breath and take the Triumph out for a ride. TOJ is progressive because this forum business model allows intelligent and rational feedback (you sound intelligent but just stubborn and a bit of a spaz).

    Don't call people sheep because they, too, enjoy the creative process and discussion, that shit is insulting.
     
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  11. MikkoN

    MikkoN Well-Known Member

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    How many of these rants have you sent to Italian operators selling USD3K-4K jackets of consideraby inferior quality compared to TOJ?
     
  12. notwithit

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    Remember how Woodyear got banned last time? It's because all he did is troll. I don't know what exactly triggered the ban-hammer (I think there's something about a certain number of members putting you on ignore, although I don't know whether that still holds true post-changeover), but all he did before is try to bait people into an argument, regardless of how stupid or pointless it was.

    (Hopefully) slightly more productive topic: How does one style a VTG CM? The old jeans/slim boots/t-shirt track works, obviously, but would an older iteration of the SF uniform - say, plaid or chambray button-down, raw denim, brogue boots - also be an option?

    I ask (selfishly) because I plan to pick one up at some point, and I have a bunch of plaid shirts and stuff that I don't wear right now because I'm always wearing my BCDR.
     
  13. Dbear

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    ^ Any VTG made it out to the wild yet?

    Maybe not, since it looks like the calf whisky stuff is/was shipping...and I think that was unveiled shortly before VTG...
     
  14. l1mab3an

    l1mab3an Well-Known Member

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    I am soo glad this has all been worthwhile for you...
     
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    Not that I've heard. Looking forward to some pictures and reviews, though. Presumably, people will want to oil them up a bit to soften them before wearing.
     
  16. unfuccwittable

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    at the end of the day, there isn't gonna be a TOJ shearling so how about we all get over it and post more pics of the immaculate shit that IS being produced.
     
  17. stick

    stick Well-Known Member

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    Not sure why it's so complicated. It's the same reason two 0.5 carat diamonds would cost $2000, but a single 1 carat diamond is $4000.

    Not sure why this account wasn't banned after all the bitching about the collared moto collar, but now with this it's really time for the banhammer.
     
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  18. omgcookielol

    omgcookielol Well-Known Member

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    Still deciding between a black a2 and a black ribbed collar cwu-45. Big fan of the front pockets and arm office on the cwu-45, but the shearling collar on the a2 would fucking rock for the winter (I don't own a scarf).
     
  19. Makeshift_Robot

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    Button downs sound good, also some heavy knitwear would be pretty sweet. Jeans or cords, boots or maybe chucks. Earth tones, dense patterns, nifty accessories, etc. would help balance out the more austere look of the jacket. Might be cool layered with a jean jacket or something, you could tie a flannel around your waist a la the Maas and Stacks lookbook.

    I don't know, I'm just vicariously e-styling through you because I'm probably not going to get one.
     
  20. Synthese

    Synthese Darth Millennial

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    I dunno, I'm planning on it fitting into my current cossack aviator/ part-time bedouin getup; black jeans, black boots, maybe some longer tops? I guess we'll see.
     

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