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TOJ - updates on the debacle, complaints, news about other ventures, whatever.

Discussion in 'Streetwear and Denim' started by impolyt_one, Jan 7, 2011.

  1. drizzy

    drizzy Well-Known Member

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    ToJ condoms
     
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  2. IDH

    IDH Well-Known Member

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    Would love to see a TOJ trench :) I'd also like to see new bags, a return of the wallets and maybe even some leather gloves?
     
  3. Two Shoes

    Two Shoes Well-Known Member

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    I don't understand the desire for TOJ leather gloves and wallets. Aren't there enough of those things out there to chose from? Let's challenge the man to make something extraordinary. Also, I don't understand the desire for anything shearling at all. Personal preferences and all that but still, that dude who posted the pic of George Lucas wearing that marshmallow jacket wtf.
     
  4. Blackmaged

    Blackmaged Well-Known Member

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    agree with everything.

    also, mr. toj's mentioned in the past (with regards to t-shirts, anyway) that small goods are probably out of the question because of shipping costs.
     
  5. johanm

    johanm Well-Known Member

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    I wonder how many other products can follow the leather model - TOJ makes them for a low price and sells them at a good margin, and everyone agrees that they're good value and everyone wants a few units because of the product's inherent versatility and swag factor, as well as mtm fit and styling.

    Basically, leathers are an unusual market breakdown as something that can be made economically and that everyone wants but is unavailable from big brands except at exorbitant prices. This is where the little guys like TOJ can take over.

    I don't know if that's true of t-shirts, bags, shoes, wool outerwear, tech outerwear, or jeans (there are lots of little guys in jeans, but I wonder if they make much money). But what about:

    - merino / lambswool / cotton knits with designs (like color blocking)
    - cotton outerwear, including trenches
    - scarves and keffiyehs (like Schneider)
    - mind is blanking now, there really isn't that much stuff in this category
     
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  6. noob in 89

    noob in 89 Well-Known Member

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    I'd love to buy a nylon MA-1 and especially that sleek black leather with the slanting zips up top that aeglus rocks so well.

    That would be super! Thanks.
     
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  7. kasakka

    kasakka Well-Known Member

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    Agreed.

    To me the appeal of TOJ was that they did the leather jacket thing better than most brands - none of that "dad jacket" stuff Schott etc can be or overly elaborate, wrinkled sausage wrappers like what they gawk at in the SF leather jackets thread or the "like what Marlon Brando or Steve McQueen wore but not quite" stuff that most rider jackets are. The unusual leather colors were also a huge plus for TOJ.

    So whatever is coming from TOJ in the future, it should have a twist that makes it better than the competition. Personally I would love seeing TOJ suits and sportcoats with interesting fabrics and a modern slim cut that is somewhere between what the MC forum typically wears and the shorter, more fitted stuff you see coming from Korea.

    PS. Keep the logo, it's excellent.
     
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  8. Klemins

    Klemins Well-Known Member

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    Maybe a Barbour/Belstaff-esque waxed (or just non-leather) rider jacket? Would love something like Barbour's International but in a more flattering cut. A lot of recent interpretations are overdone; your more modest approach could work well.
     
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  9. cyc wid it

    cyc wid it Well-Known Member

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    People want the wallets because he made wallets before and they were quite popular...
     
  10. Timbaland

    Timbaland Well-Known Member

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    I would love a nylon or cotton (maybe waxed) M65 jacket.
     
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  11. artishard116

    artishard116 Well-Known Member

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    toj high collar, full length, hidden placket, wool coat. black lamb sleeves, sleeve zips. please.
     
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  12. IronKnochs

    IronKnochs Well-Known Member

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    Are there any gloves on the market at the moment that use the same (or similar) New Zealand lamb leather?
     
  13. omgcookielol

    omgcookielol Well-Known Member

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    I'm not sure if this can be made to fit the ToJ aesthetic, but it would be pretty cool to see your take on older military jacket styles - the type that really exploded three or four years ago. I'll leave the pictures of what I'm talking about in spoilers, because I've pulled up quite a few.

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    I thought it'd be cool to see a black version done, but I don't know if it would really fit in. But anyways, my wishlist for this would be to have a jacket like that murdered out - contrasting black grosgrain trim throughout, black or brass-colored metal buttons/hardware, working cuffs, lamb/anaconda (!?) shoulder straps/"epaulettes".


    But yeah, I'd be interested in a murked out mode militia collection like nineohtoo.
     
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  14. hideout

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    shawl collar peacoat (with fur collar option)
    waxed cotton light hooded jacket/parka
    double rider with wool sleeves and ribbed cuffs
     
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  15. Razele

    Razele Well-Known Member

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    All this tech ninja requests and knitted sleeve perfecto wants reminds me of how I said that Undercover was gonna get big...
     
  16. Danzar

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    I guess here are some of what I would like which seem reasonably inline with what you do?

    -Blazers (casual unstructured and maybe another a bit more formal)
    -Super minimal hooded coat
    -Trench coat (which is a bit more youthful)
    -Another vote for scarves and keffiyehs like Schneider (it seems rediculous how gross cheap scarves and how expensive nice ones are for how simple they seem to make...)
    -Cotton fishtail with fur hood

    Another thing which interests me is cool fabrics (read florals) which can be made up into shirts and things which most people don't have access to. I think that is alot of the appeal for TOJ for me.
     
  17. Dbear

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    I haven't been able to find a small functional zip wallet like the one that TOJ put out. There are plenty of zip wallets, but they are usually 5x4, something I imagine people put into their man purses. And if the wallet is smaller 4x3 or 4x3.5, then it really isn't functional, it's one pouch.

    This is perfect.
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    But I get why they aren't really being made. At $100, the margins aren't great and EMS shipping with tracking and insurance, etc is really prohibitive. Maybe an option to buy a wallet only if you buy a jacket, so it saves on shipping.
     
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    I just want to see something similar to this done, complete with removable collar.
     
  19. impolyt_one

    impolyt_one Well-Known Member

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    Well, you said it yourself there, but that is one example of those things that seem easy to do or simple, but in reality are harder to do. I mean, I agree, there's not much in the hand there presenting itself for the price - but the reality is that, at least in terms of examining its viability, you gotta see every product almost at the same level. If it's brought to market, each thing is a baby for the producer. On the other hand, I'm not telling people to give up their rights as consumers, to not question the value of items. There's obviously a divide there and will be forever, but it can also result in progress as well, so that is a good thing.

    Things can be hard to do for a number of reasons, but mostly, it's in the preparatory stages. A great product is the result of lots of planning and preparation, making and do-overs; occasionally you get lucky and there's things are just synergistically and serendipitously created from what is inherently good and the puzzle is easy to solve. Those things are rare, I feel.

    Maybe for bigger brands with a ton of inefficiency and lots of underused resources, they can wave the wand and get something made from what they already have. Me, I'm like a featherweight in this ring, I have the work of three people to put something into production, and seriously, there are times when it's a single needle hitting textile, that is TOJ. Even at full swing, it's not much more than that, at all. Maybe two needles hitting textile at the same time. We're definitely not in the fields or the mills getting things made exactly how we want them, we don't have the cost resources or the market to dump that on. Neither sounds good to me, so I won't be doing that anytime soon, either.
    There can be a lot of custom work involved, a lot of one-off disposable work and research going into something. For brands like mine that have no footing or even equipment or suppliers in something like a scarf, then that's an anthill that looks more like a mountain to me.

    There are specialist brands with a good relationship with whoever has the abilities to make scarves and maybe a limited number of other things - they don't do leather jackets. We do leather jackets, but don't really have the resources to make scarves or silks, whatever it may be.


    to answer the other question - lambskin gloves are out, that isn't the right material for gloves. There's tons more movement and tension inside a glove than a jacket, and more wear involved, so you need a pliable and elastic but tough leather, with small pores, possibly and preferably even (lamb has large pores and a delicate finish, obviously) - deerskin is the leather of choice for gloves. Lambskin gloves would end up shredded to bits within a month.
     
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  20. impolyt_one

    impolyt_one Well-Known Member

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    There was absolutely no margin on those wallets, we made like $10 a pop on them. Wasn't enough considering the number of train rides it took to put the orders in and then pick them up each time. The price should've been higher, but I would've wanted to escalate the quality even higher if I was raising the price - and I didn't really have anything else to put into those, so that option was out. We just let them die for that reason alone. When I go meet up with TOJ dudes, a surprising number of them have TOJ wallets though, and they're always keen to show me the evo on them, haha. It's great, I never expected that response.
     
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